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Thread: Dance vs Music buffs

Wiild
Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:26 am
#1

Hello all,

I have recently tried to auction a Music mind enhancement tape, and been told that all the money is in Dance enhancement tapes.


From my experience if I had to choose between the 2, I would rather have the music as this alows me to have no special cost, and increased regeneration, without the need of foods or drink, so leaving my tummy for other stat increasing foods/drinks.


Can someone tell me the flaw in my logic please? All opinions welcomed.


Thanks for your time.




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Ikewe
Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:29 am
#2

It varies by server actually. Typically when I see auctions for dancing mind enhancement SEA's there will be more bids simply because we have many more dancers than musicians on Shadowfire.


But my server has also seen a fairly drastic drop in the auction prices of these SEA's. Though I'm certain if one were auctioned that was more than +1 (which is all we've seen lately), the price would sky rocket quickly.


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LeBob
Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:55 am
#3

To give you some actual examples, a CA with +25 MME and +25 Droid Speed (I dunno the worth of Droid Speed) sold for 80M credits on Bria a few weeks ago...... I myself bought a 17.7M credit +25 MME CA on Bria around 5 months ago... both on forum auctions... It may depend on the server though...



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LyteFoot
Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:47 am
#4

In answer to your question about the value of music over dance buffs I agree with you. Yeah I'm a musician but that isn't why. As you stated the sub-stats do a lot more for you. I pump up key sub-stats before I pump up the visible stat. I can see where having a very large primary stat will help you survive one very large attack but it does little for the more common repeatition of moderate damage.

As others stated there are more dancers, in fact I get far more tells asking for my service as a musician than Imaji does for dance. I've been told multiple times it is because master musician is much less common. I don't know if this is true or if most are duel masters and wear their dancer tag but the empirical evidence seems to be that master musicians are much rarer, at least on Corbantis.



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DarkY0da
Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:52 am
#5

Well if one would just go by the posting habits of the forums the Musician forum aren't as busy as the dancer forum. (although since 3 Professions use Entertainer you would think that forum would get a decent amount of traffic.)

And I do know quite a few people that only get Music buffs.



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Maisland
Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:29 pm
#6




LyteFoot wrote:
As others stated there are more dancers, in fact I get far more tells asking for my service as a musician than Imaji does for dance. I've been told multiple times it is because master musician is much less common. I don't know if this is true or if most are duel masters and wear their dancer tag but the empirical evidence seems to be that master musicians are much rarer, at least on Corbantis.




I suspect that a good part of the reason why there are more dancers is due to the fact that it is a lot easier to level as a dancer than as a musician for the following reasons:



  1. If you are dancing and get invited to an Entertainer Group, you don't stop performingbecause you are doing a different dance from everyone else. Musicians do stop performing if they are playing a different song... and then have that stupid forced wait before they can start up again.

  2. Dancer skill xp is based on the dance you do and you get at least 1 new dance at every level of (Entertainer) Dance and (Dancer) Knowledge. Music skill xp is based on the instrument that you play and at some levels, a musician only gets a new song and not a new instrument... and the only way that I have found to combat this reduced xp gain is to flourish more often. Which, of course, uses up more action and doesn't sound as good as doing a routine with the flourishes timed and chosen with care. (Admittedly, Rock and Folk don't sound nearly as bad as some other songs in a mixed band with everyone flourishing differently.)

  3. If you join a group and they are playing a song that is too high for you to play, you can't join the band... and not every band is willing to drop down to a song that you can play... or worse, all the other musicians in the group are afk and thus can't change the song to one that you can play. (I recently joined an Entertainer Group which had an afkMaster Musician in itthat was playing Virtuoso... go figure!)

Basically, with all the headaches involved in gaining music skills, I think that it is no wonder that so many more entertainers choose to go for dance instead... and having gotten Master Musician on 2 characters (and 4/3/4/4 Musician on my up and coming Rodian Entertaineron Intrepid) I have nothing but admiration for all of my fellow (live) Master Musicians.




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Echinacea
Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:03 pm
#7

As with everything, it depends on the application. For PvP, a Dance buff is more important (in my never-humble opinion) unless you're a Rifleman. In PvE, I value a Music buff more. In both cases, I'd rather have both.


I think there are more dancers for the reasons Maisland gave. That, and let's face it...it appeals to the adolescent male mentality, which predominates the game regardless of the actual chronology and genderof specific players. The dance flourishes look nice, and if you're tired of them, they're easily ignored. Musical flourishes are repetitive and after a while are kind of annoying.


Of course, I'm biased. I don't like dancing in-game, and I've been a Musician since beta.



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Xyrdre
Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:15 pm
#8






DarkY0da wrote:
Well if one would just go by the posting habits of the forums the Musician forum aren't as busy as the dancer forum. (although since 3 Professions use Entertainer you would think that forum would get a decent amount of traffic.)

And I do know quite a few people that only get Music buffs.





I dunno... we may just be a bit chattier over in Dancer. Not to mention that a lot of Musicians come over to Dancer to hang out, thus adding to forum traffic.





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Schardour
Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:09 pm
#9






Xyrdre wrote:

Not to mention that a lot of Musicians come over to Dancer to hang out, thus adding to forum traffic.





You know, we should really repay them every so often by gracing them with our presence, eh Deila? I'm sure those dull Musician forums could use some fun once in a while. And we know the Dancers have plenty of fun to spare!






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Xyrdre
Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:17 pm
#10






Schardour wrote:


You know, we should really repay them every so often by gracing them with our presence, eh Deila? I'm sure those dull Musician forums could use some fun once in a while. And we know the Dancers have plenty of fun to spare!








I go say hi all the time! I doubt Scip would mind dancer visits over there. It's not like we're all troublemakers... *cough*... *cough*....





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Aleyo
Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:19 pm
#11



Xyrdre wrote:


Schardour wrote:

You know, we should really repay them every so often by gracing them with our presence, eh Deila? I'm sure those dull Musician forums could use some fun once in a while. And we know the Dancers have plenty of fun to spare!



I go say hi all the time! I doubt Scip would mind dancer visits over there. It's not like we're all troublemakers... *cough*... *cough*....




I'd love for dancers to come visit.
I plan on livening up the Musician forum with all the gossip and fun and what not that's consistently in the Dancer forum (all on topic of course ).
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LyteFoot
Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:26 am
#12

What musicians hang out here?



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Ikewe
Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:09 am
#13






Maisland wrote:

I suspect that a good part of the reason why there are more dancers is due to the fact that it is a lot easier to level as a dancer than as a musician for the following reasons:



Thosewere allimportant points but I would also just say that I knewnone of that when I first stepped into the cantina in my furry diaper pants and bright red pumps. What I did know is that in RL I can't carry a tune ina bucket and so didn't trust that I could create a song thatwouldn't put people's teeth on edge.


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