Entertainer Archive
Thread: Yet another AFK balancing proposal...
JasonK wrote:1) Nice economic theory, but I've already provedthat entertainers didn't make much money with or without AFKers. Just because a few of them did does not invalidate the fact that the majority of entertainers have never made good money off entertaining. Your assertations disregard fact and instead rely on your own biases.
2) You probably should have quoted this one as I think you're referring to Ryyger's post that I quoted and not mine. I only highlighted those comments to point out the hypocrisy of them.
3) You should have quoted what I said here cause you're mis-representing it. "for a lot of ATK entertainers XP is more valuable than credits." Has nothing to do with who values XP the most, only how people value XP compared to credits for themselves. And no, I don't think a lot of ATKers value credits as much as XP. If they did they'd be out running missions, cause even the minuscule amount they pay is still more than the tips they'd be getting. But they aren't, they're packed into the cantinas with the AFKers trying to get into the big group and trying to get people to take a mind poison from a combat medic so they can get the precious healing XP.
4) Can't force people to tip you so I'm not sure what you're point is. Go back to #1.
5)Depends on what the tip is for. If I tip somebody because they did something for me it's a payment. If I tip somebody and they didn't do anything for me it's a handout. If Ryyger somehow convinces the devs to takecredits out of my bank and give them to entertainers that's a handout. I'm pretty sure I've never said otherwise so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe you're confusing another of Ryyger's posts with mine.
Now doesn't it say over and over on Tip Sites, and in the Directions of the book for the game that you should Tip your Medics and Entertainers?
Now, from what I have been told by longtime entertainers is that they made decent tips before Christmas (which would be the special Christmas Holocrons, and the full blown Jedi Madness). Most long time Dancers and Musicans have told me this. Were they earning as much as me running 11K Baz Nitch missions for an evening? No, but they were earning enough to afford what they needed. There has always neeeded to be a way for Dancers to deal with non tippers. People who don't tip are clearly violating what has been laid out in the Rulebook that it's expected for them to do.
That all being said, all the long time entertainers claim that it's been worse since Christmas, and said they made decent tips before (and since I hang around and run as a part time guide/hired muscle for some all entertainer guilds when they want to hunt, I'd say I've talked to my share of entertainers on Valcyn) I'd say that you can not argue that AFK entertainers have cut into their income, giving greedy powergamers and reason to hold on to even more money to by the Uber Loot Krayt Killing Scaternator from the trade boards because they see no reason to tip someone when someone else is doing the same thing for free. It affected this class.
Me personally, I can't stand Bestine or Cornoet because the Cantina's are so packed up with players that the lag often takes me 3-4 minutes to stop jumping/and warping and move around. And I will state without question that it was not that way before the Macro Tainers. Coronet was bad at times, Bestine and Theed were not.
For you to say that you "proved" that they did not make that much money to begin with is not accurate, for I "have proven" with as much authority as you that they did "make more Money" before the AFK phenomenom. And I happen to be a big fan of the Enteratainers, as if it were not for Running into Kaylea my first night on the game, (Dancing in Mos Entha, without a crowd, just "in case" somebody came in, because she thought it was her "job") I'd had have a miserable time. But she took the time to walk me through a few of the basic commands (how to watch a entertainer, how to tip, what wound points were, what not to fight) and generally was nice. I happened to chat a lot in the Cantina's when I had down time, and that's how I got invited out on some high end hunts that netted me great XP, when I had no business going. That part of the game is gone, because I can't talk with someone when I have to hear (TIP ME PLZ) every five seconds. And yes, I know ignore works, but a few people may not know that yet, especially a new player, which I am concerned about liking and staying in the game so that it doesn't get cancelled.
They do ruin my gaming experience. Is it gamebreaking? No, never said it was. But I hate the Cantina's now, and I didn't before. And I also noticed a lot more people used to hang out there for a lot longer time, but I wonder why that doesn't happen now? But I'm sure it doesn't affect the game in anyway. That's just a considence.
As for solutions, I'd say get rid of this Stupid Jedi System and that would take care of most of the problem. A few people's alt's running around won't bother me, as they can just be the but of jokes and ridicule like the 1-2 that would be around when I first got online on this game. It's the 40 that are in the Catina's now that bug me.
I'd also say they need to double the XP reward for ATK entertainers and keep it the same for the AFK'ers. They would have to "force" AFK mode, but that should be the case anyway.
I actually like the idea that Middle Earth Online has with "Real Time" leveling in which it takes you the same amount of time no matter if you are logged in or not. I wish they would have done that here. At least we'd have known that going in, but SOE was very unclear about what was allowed and not allowed, and allowing a few classes to be entirely macroed, while others can not is very unbalancing. While I'd prefer people to play, I'd still like it to be fair instead of get Master Image Designer in 2 hours, get Master Weaponsmith in 4 weeks.
If they didn't choke the lag and spam, and would hang out in out of the way cantinas like Lok, it never would have been a problem. But it's never that case. It's always the places I could always find live Dancers in before and it made it harder to meet as many people (for the hunting trips, which is what I like). The minute I find an AFK enterainer on Dathirmore or Lok will be my first time finding one, and that's where I really need them. They don't help me in Theed, Bestine, Ancorhead, or Coronet. And that's where they always go. So please refrain from telling me how much they "HELP" me, because they don't.