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Thread: afk entertainers read
MrEntropy5 wrote:I was trying for Master Entertainer. However, will all the afk robots I've decided that it's no longer fun nor interesting. So, I've given it up and only enter cantina's and taverns when I need to heal myself.
At this point I seriously think the developers should discontinue the whole entertainment line and most of the medic line and just put automated "healers" in the game. An NPC band for the cantina's (which is basically what we have now) and a medical droid for the medical centers.
I wish you people would pay me $15 a month so you could do nothing.
If they do this, drop the whole entertainment thing, then they should announce it soon, really soon as in before my 30 days free trial end so that I can discontinue my account and maybe get a refund on this game or sell it to someone who likes playing combat characters.
I think I am not the only one who does not like PvP combat action get shot in the back type of gameplay.
OK. MOST Entertainers I know are AFK at some time or another. (like when they go to work or bed and leave the game running). Another, do you guys REALLY ENJOY sitting at the computer and watching the going-on's in a Cantina??? So basically, you sit there and chat and play while doing nothing else but playing. Being an Entertainer is boring at best. All you do is stand there and play. So why get on those that wanna pass time in some other way. I'm an Entertainer/Medic, and yes I concentrate most of my "active" time on my Medic, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay 15.00 a month to sit at a keyboard for HOURS and watch other players come in and get healed and leave. I've got better things to do in life than sit and watch a Cantina. That's about the only time I use AFK, when I don't feel like watching the screen anymore. And no one has any right to complain because someone gets around a profession's boredom. There is no rule that says a person HAS to watch the screen at all times if he's logged in. No MMORPG has ever forced a player to do that. And the same holds true here. Whether it's Entertainers, Artisans, or otherwise, too many people use macros to even think about getting the developers to take them out of the game.
And besides, who is it really hurting anyway?
You need to go and read the myriad of *other* threads on this topic to see just who it's hurting and how.
To answer your other questions, yes, a lot of us actually enjoy chatting and watching the going ons in cantinas. Just because that playstyle doesn't fit your definition of 'interesting' doesn't mean that every other person in the world agrees with you. I personally tend to get bored spitless running around doing combat missions all the time but I'm sure there are people that do enjoy that sort of thing. I'm certainly not going to try to find a way to AFK my way to combat mastery because that playstyle doesn't appeal to me as much-I'll just choose not to try for mastery of a combat profession and pursue activities that interest me.
You're a medic/entertainer you say. You spend more time on medic and you're bored silly doing the entertainer part. Here's what might be a news flash: If it bores you so much *DON'T DO IT*.
"But wait, " you'll say, "I want to be able to heal all of the HAM bars, that's why I took entertainer". Here's another newsflash: You can heal battle fatigue and mind wounds by spending 15 skill points and 100 credits on Novice Entertainer. You won't heal all that quickly, but you'll still be able to heal and you won't 'have' to AFK your way higher up the tree, or spend 'boring' time in the cantina.
"Now that the mind buffs are getting improved I want to be able to buff mind!" If you need a new weapon, do you go out and grind your way to master weaponsmith? Did you take up architect when you decided you wanted a large house filled with furniture? Did you make the armor you wear? Did you make your character's clothing? If you need some Muon Gold, do you buy some from a smuggler, or do you start grinding away so you can get the 4 boxes of Spice? That sounds like a lot of effort, none of which can be accomplished AFK. Why should the entertainer professions be any different? One character cannot do everything all at once-suck it up and go to someone else for your mind buff if you find entertaining 'boring'.
If you still persist in doing 'entertaining', if you find it so boring, just log out once you're bored, or take your character and do something else. Yeah, it'll take longer for you to fill in all the boxes and then get the little 'Master' title, but...so what? If you already find it boring, you're not going to find it *any* less boring at Master level, and those points you spent on it will just be soaked away from other things you could be doing that you find more enjoyable.
I was going to respond to that post but you said everything I would have said, and 25x better, so I will just add my 100% agreement to everything you just said.
Oh, and yeah, I, too, find it fun and enjoyable to partake of the goings-on in the cantina, nightly. I have a lot of friends who frequent the Keren cantina. They are nice to me. They tip well. They appreciate my heals. I like healing them so they can go back to fighting. Yes, I find it fun. Maybe not everyone's idea of fun, but thank goodness finally there is a game where the socializers, acheivers, killers, and explorers can all find something to do for a change. In the past, most games catered to at most 2 types and often (realistically) just one type.
So yeah, some of us do actually enjoy entertaining.
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OK, I was a little upset when I wrote my first post. I'm just getting b*tchy about everyone b*tching about stuff that they can't control. If it's not the AFK'ers on this board, it's the Artisans getting upset because every class wants to take Artisan skills. If it's not that it's the Pistoleers against the Bounty Hunters. And in the end it still accomplishes nothing, just like my postwill accomplish nothing except for voice my opinion.
No, I am not looking to make Master. No, I am not looking to heal everything. I entertain because I want to, because it's different. But yes, after about an hour I do get kinda bored dancing in a cantina. So off I go to do something else while my character dances. I MAY gain about 300 XP while I'm away. I am nowhere near some min/maxer like a lot of players. I actually know what Star Wars is <g>. And I know that "RPG" means ROLE-PLAYING GAME.
But, like I had no right to tell you that your class is boring (and I have no room to talk since Artisan classes are my favorite classes), no one here really has a right to tell another player what to do with their character. We all pay the same amount every month to play this game. And how we choose to play it is up to each of us. If you choose to hang out all day and gain XP and role-play, great. If I choose to gain a few hundred XP by being AFK for an hour or two, that's my choice. And it's someone else's choice if he wants to leave a AFK macro on 24/7. I agree that the ones doing it 24/7 are abusing the system. But what can you do?
Now, on tipping. That's each player's choice. These AFK'ers SHOULD NOT be bold enough to ASK for a tip for healing when they aren't even around. For that matter, no one should. A tip is just that... a tip. When you go to a restaurant or take a cab, it is not mandatory to tip. A tip is expected, but is not required. I have never had a waitress ask me for a tip when she brings the bill. But it is customary to give one. So these players that ASK for a tip, I usually will not tip. Asking for one is plain rude.
I totally can understand about being tired of reading complaints. I can normally tell by the thread title or the first couple of posts if a thread is going to be annoying, and then I don't read it. (Ok ok, except that thread in the Dancer forum that I kept going back to like it was some festering wound, but I normally try to avoid that sort of thing!) Those things that you are considering 'b*tching' are often valid issues 'serious' players of that class have. If I were passionate about being an artisan, yeah, I'd not want every other class getting my base abilities. Same thing with the other examples you cite; keep in mind that people who feel passionate about something often get some sort of weird enjoyment over having discussions about those things-and don't be offended here by my choice of wording, I'm certainly one of those weirdos when it comes to AFK entertainers!
Does it accomplish anything? Maybe, maybe not. Profession correspondants can certainly take note of which topics seem to be 'hot' and pass that along to the devs; or the rare dev may happen to see a huge thread where some arguing and debate is taking place. You know the saying about the squeaky wheel-how would anyone in a position to do something about 'issues' have an idea how the community feels about something if we don't talk about it?
I don't have a right to tell someone else how to play. However, when their playstyle is having a negative effect on me, I feel that I do have a right to express my feelings about their behaviour. This doesn't mean that I am emailing people in game giving them lectures about the evils of AFK macroing-this means that I express my opinion out of game in threads like these, while in game I simply choose to have nothing at all to do with those people whose playstyles I dislike. I've gotten flamed in game because I had the nerve to remove someone who was afk for around a half hour from a group, after stating up front when I formed the group that I'd be removing people if they were AFK for an extended period of time. It seems that the only people who are allowed to play 'how they want to' are those people who long-term AFK macro-as soon as *my* chosen playstyle excludes player character NPCs, I'm suddenly treated like I've got an obligation to group with everyone who asks to join, and provide training to anyone who asks.
If you get bored after an hour of entertaining, what's wrong with just taking your character to do something else? When playing a single player game and you get bored, do you log out or do you just leave your guy sitting there? Saying that you're not looking to make master or heal everything, yet still leaving your character unattended is kind of contradictory. If you have no real motivation to make master, why bother going against the EULA and leaving your character there, performing, while you do something else? Does your DvD player not work unless your computer is actively running SWG or something? *grin*
I totally agree with you on the tipping thing btw. Thanks for not taking my post as a flame, as it certainly wasn't intended as such, and thanks for a thoughtful reply.