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I don't think anyone's jumping on a bandwagon just to be upset with the devs. I think some players are genuinely upset about what they feel is a major negative change to the way they have played the game... not because they see a bunch of people attacking the devs and just want to join in.

I play an entertainer as my main character for the social and aesthetic aspect of the game. I am happy about the cool props, though I expect the "wow" factor will erode in a couple of weeks. However, I also played an entertainer to be useful to other players by healing, to provide them a service, and to earn credits. Part of the fun in it for me is to be able to help other players and feel like my character is needed.

Ultimately, removal of the ability to provide meaningful services to other characters (wound healing, mind buffing, battle fatigue healing) means a removal of the ability to earn credits for those services.

I imagine this is what a lot of players of entertainers find so bad about removing battle fatigue, which was the last remnant of something meaningful entertainers could help with.

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Chessack wrote:

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Epofa wrote:
Maybe I'm overestimating the inspiration buff, but I think everyone comes for it, even crafters... at least the people I know do.

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I have two characters... a combat character and an entertainer character. With the combat character, I totally ignore inspiration buffs. I refuse to get one from an AFKer, and there are very few live performers left (except my own alt). And even so, it doesn't do a hell of a lot (10% xp buff? That's equal to killing like one more enemy every 4 lairs or something). So... if it happens to be convenient to get one off a live dancer, I might, but oherwise, I ignore it, as a combatant.

C

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i think another issue is there comes a time when we don't need XP . . .so of what use is an inspiration.

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Cuit wrote:

i think another issue is there comes a time when we don't need XP . . .so of what use is an inspiration.

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Yup.

Primarily our buffs help grinders... FP grinders, and XP grinders.

My character is FS, so in theory she should need to grind lots of XP. In practice, I utterly despise grinding. I do what I feel like (quests, helping on guild hunts, whatever) and gain XP as I go, just as a by-product of whatever I am doing. At some point I get a message "You have reached the maximum XP" in whatever category and I figure, "OK time to head to the village and trade in." Otherwise, I ignore it... so +10% XP is irrelevent to me.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who really couldn't care less about these XP buffs, on the combat side. I have never yet been in a hunting group where someone has said, before we leave, "Wait! I need an inspiration buff!"

C

I also dont get it why some people get as much upset and are either canceling account or droping ent. Thats my opinion and mine only. Yours can differ then mine. But please let me understand why you guys make it as if it was the end of the world. If this would be the AFK'er ent forum I would understand. But it isnt right?

1st of all, I'm an ent for like4 month, and I'm still at Ment, Dancer0/02/3 Music 0/0/4/2. I choose to become an ent because I was so tired to go in cantina when I needed a change of mood and seen only AFK'er. So I decided to go ent myself and drop combat. Thats a little before CU hit live.

For me being an ent is not to BUFF or heal BF. Its to have social with people. So for some people around here, from what I've been readin. The removal of BF attract less people in the cantina. TRUE is someway. Should it be the end of all thing because of that? My opinion is no. On the server I play, there is still patron and regular patroncoming in the cantina as it was before, atleast in Mos eisley. and less regular AFK'er (Now thats a plus if you ask me). So for me it sound good. And when the cantina has a low patron population, I just go out and perform in the street, wich attract some passing by ent and patron. And I still get to do my primary role (Entertain/social) and I get XP too on themean time. I have nice prop I can use even when I play music. But I gotta agree musician been ripped off on that tho. Nothing more than a tree spliting in two and a new song. It's not fair compare to what dancer got. I had to drop master artisan just so I could still play all instrument/song (cept master). I got mad at it 1st but I didnt lowered my head. I like my profession and I adapted the change. But it doesn mean I'm happy with it either now.

So please help me understand why so many people in here say they hate AFK'er so much because they spam and dont play their role as they should (entertain). Why you guys all leaving because we finnaly have tools to look better and to perform better. I just dont get it. If the patron dont come to you, go to him. Be creative, simple as that and I can guarrantee you, you might enjoy your role better than what you think it should be. Now I'm sorry if I may sound as if I'm flaiming, but it isnt my point. I just want to understand why such a nice bunch of people talk about social so much think all those change are bad. I just dont get it.

Since the DEv doesnt seem to want to get rid of recursive macro/AFK play, till the ent have something for the player even if its little other than social, You will still have AFK'er. Some people say inspiration isnt big enought to bother. Hey, its better than nothing. I have an alt that is combatant and I never go hunt without it. and I dont care if I have to do 10 cantina to find a ATK ent to get buff.

So no I'm not an oldy entertainer, I didnt see all the thing the Devs took from the ent. But I wont lower my head and act all negative because I lose the ability to heal BF. I could care less, I'm not a healer I'm an entertainer. Its not the number going down in the BF box that will make a patron feel better after a long period of combat, but me entertaining him/her. I'm here for the fun and see new people each hours and have a blast. Wich I seems to have way more recently with the props / change.

So come one guys, get that head up and show the Dev your not intimidated with such a small Issue, You still can perform and have a blast if you really want to. If you think too much negative, then I guess they won an other round. If patron dont come to you, go to him.

*cheer up*

Lipi

Master entertainer | Master Tailor

Message Edited by TCA-Dragons on 07-24-2005 07:08 AM

one last thing,

as some people say the insiration XP bonus buff isnt that great and not everyone care to grab it. Dont you think its great? cause I do. Just Imagine if the dev would set it to lets say 25% or 30% XP. I just can start to see the population of zombie getting twice as big with /covercharge 5000 cr than it is now. Lets face it, for how long you guys asked for a way to remove AFK play and it havent took place. It wont happen tomorow cause its so easy to remove it. Just have a pop up window to the ent when someone /listen and request a buff. and its only clickable. no /command to agree for the buff. But no, it hasnt happened and it wont. So as I said on my other post, more thing we will ask that player willneed will return in more AFK Zombie then ENT.

Less thing we have for player, less reason AFK'er will have to pay for a 2nd account to be turned into a zombie. And we still can do our social role.

Lipi <MAF>

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TCA-Dragons wrote:

For me being an ent is not to BUFF or heal BF. Its to have social with people. So for some people around here, from what I've been readin. The removal of BF attract less people in the cantina. TRUE is someway. Should it be the end of all thing because of that? My opinion is no. On the server I play, there is still patron and regular patron coming in the cantina as it was before, atleast in Mos eisley. and less regular AFK'er (Now thats a plus if you ask me).

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It's fine if things are working "for you". Not everyone is having the same experience.

In a way you have answered your own question. You say you don't get why people are upset at the loss of BF. You have your answer... they did not get into entertaining for the same reasons you did. Some of us (gasp) actually did choose a healing profession with the desire to be a healer (imagine that!). When the devs take that away, people who want to be healers aren't left with much choice but to "drop ent" (as you say) and pick up medic -- the only remaining class that heals in the game. And if you want to be a non-combat healer, well, I guess you'll just have to go find another game now, because all medical profs get XP from healing in combat only.

The problem some of us have is not that you can't socialize still -- you always could, and still can. The problem is that in an RPG game world, each class needs to be "hooked in" to the universe in some way -- to have some sort of an in-game purpose. If you feel inspiration buffs are enough of a hook, that's fine. Many of us do not -- we believe that our main hooks have been removed and not replaced, and we're unhappy about that.

So, there's your explanation of why people are cancelling/quitting/dropping.

C

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Chessack wrote:

It's fine if things are working "for you". Not everyone is having the same experience.

In a way you have answered your own question. You say you don't get why people are upset at the loss of BF. You have your answer... they did not get into entertaining for the same reasons you did. Some of us (gasp) actually did choose a healing profession with the desire to be a healer (imagine that!). When the devs take that away, people who want to be healers aren't left with much choice but to "drop ent" (as you say) and pick up medic -- the only remaining class that heals in the game. And if you want to be a non-combat healer, well, I guess you'll just have to go find another game now, because all medical profs get XP from healing in combat only.

The problem some of us have is not that you can't socialize still -- you always could, and still can. The problem is that in an RPG game world, each class needs to be "hooked in" to the universe in some way -- to have some sort of an in-game purpose. If you feel inspiration buffs are enough of a hook, that's fine. Many of us do not -- we believe that our main hooks have been removed and not replaced, and we're unhappy about that.

So, there's your explanation of why people are cancelling/quitting/dropping.

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Thx for the answer, I guess now I can see why some people can get mad if theypick entertainer as an healer as primary role than social or both. I totaly understand your point. But this for sure isnt making entertainer wortless as a whole for everyone. As you corrected me, not everyone has the sameplaystyle than I or anyone else. You said it yourslef, some liked the healing aspect of entertainer and some like the social aspect of it as a few people pointed out on this thread.

I'm sorry if I said for me Ididnt meant it the way you might have understand it. That wasnt my intention.

So thanks again for answering my question. I guess the healingpartis where Ihad less attention to look at. I was so sure people was more focused toward social than healing or both.

Thank you.

Lipi

Master Entertainer | Master Tailor

Message Edited by TCA-Dragons on 07-24-2005 09:17 PM

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JettVega wrote:
what drives me nuts is so many /afk dancers just seem to be in it for the tips, xp... I actually don't know why they're still there other then to grind, but who needs spam for grinding danget. I wonder if its just because its all some of these folks have known and now they don't know what to do with themselves

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Someone in the dancer forum clued me in on this, and it makes sense. Since you can still AFK macro grind dancer or musician really easily (and pretty much no other prof) people are grinding it and then using their token respec to get the prof they really want, but don't want to grind to get.

Though why they spam for tips while doing this, is anyone's guess...

C

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Chessack wrote:

The problem some of us have is not that you can't socialize still -- you always could, and still can. The problem is that in an RPG game world, each class needs to be "hooked in" to the universe in some way -- to have some sort of an in-game purpose. If you feel inspiration buffs are enough of a hook, that's fine. Many of us do not -- we believe that our main hooks have been removed and not replaced, and we're unhappy about that.

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QFE. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Well I play on a supposedly RP server and when I go into cantina's now, I see all performers, no spectators, half the performers are flagged as AFK, the other half of the performers are AFK but just not flagged, and the only chat are the annoying macros which may be clever at first, but get old very quick after 12372 repetitions in the space of 15 minutes.

So gee, I don't know what's wrong, if the point of the game is now BH vs Jedi deathmatch, its absolutely wonderful.OfcourseI exaggerate, and on the rare occaision that I see a performer that is actually present and interacting I usually give as large a tip as I can manage, but those folks are probably so loaded with cash it makes little difference.

Vil Kearn (Kettemoor).

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YuriaTayde wrote:

Is everyone just jumping on a bandwagon to be upset with the devs.

... Yes, yes they are. They're caught up on lossing something thatdidn't really evenhelp them anymore,and are thankless for gaining insperation and props.

We seriously didn't loss anything important even, we were a headache to the focus of all MMORPGs: The combat.Beingboth fighter and dancer here, even I thought BF was nothing but a royal pain... Insperation is much more convinient for me, better exp when I need it, and I can enjoy the music while the group leader is recruiting people.I can't believe they'd think people who enjoy entertainer company would stop coming because they no longer need BF healed, news flash, they stopped coming because the AFKers took over the cantinas. That's a different subject though...

Sorry for being overly rude here, I'm just ticked at what a dump the dancer forum has become with all the complaining, was hoping the same wasn't true for Ent and Musician... A fools hope, but whatever.

Meh, now I'm contributing to the ugly on the Ent forum... sorry

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Message Edited by JettVega on 07-25-2005 02:03 AM