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Thread: AFKers annoying? Buffbots got you down? Union of Cantina Workers is looking for new members

Beery
Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:39 am
#1






Are you an entertainer who istired of cantina management hiring cheap unskilled labour (AFK scabs) who perform poorly and alienate your customers,resulting in lower tips?


Have you had enough of buffbot blacklegs hired bya reactionarycity governmentto put hardworking entertainers out of business for good?


Fed up with the elitist Jedi and Sith, who think entertainers (who, after all, have as many midichlorians as any other group of beings) can't be members of their order?


Are you appalled that slavery still exists in the galaxy, and that entertainers are its most common victims?


Tired of combat professionals who treat entertainers as second-class citizens?


Had enough of cantina management whoallow rude andunscrupulouscustomers toget theirentertainment without paying for it?


Did Jabba the Hutt feed your slave/dancer sister to the Rancor?


Are you tired of certain members of thepublic treating us as if we're little more thanprostitutes?


Had enough of cantina owners who force us to work for tips and refuse to pay us a steady paycheck?


Are you just sick and tired of the lack of respect that entertainers receive throughout the galaxy?


Do you just feel unappreciated and need a group hug?


If you answered yes to any of these questions, it's time for you to do something about it - join the union! The UCW is here to make sure that you have a strongvoice in your community and in your galaxy. The cantina owners, the city government, the Sith, the Jedi, and the Galactic Empirehave billions to spend onpropaganda that keeps us exactlywhere they want us - down and out and begging for their table scraps. But that can change. If we band together we can become a force to be reckoned with at the bargaining table. Our demands can be met, and withthe strong voice that the union provideswe can finallyforce a fair contract down the throats of the powers that seek to oppress and enslave us.


The UCW will organize well-planned and well-populated events that will further our cause and that will bring the public onto our side. With humour and wit, we will alert the people to our cause, and strike fear into the hearts ofthe powers of repression and slavery. Where there is injustice, we will be there - united -to stop it.


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The UCW is not a guild (although if members want it, it could develop into one).It is a loose but committed support group of SWG players who play as entertainment characters and who share common goals, and who stand in solidarity with each other to air our grievances in a lighthearted but effective way.We will get together to attend weekly events, as recently suggested by Warryyr, and we will come to the aid of fellow entertainers when they feel threatened or annoyed with buffbots and AFKers.We are not here to grief other players.On the contrary, the UCW will behave in a way that makes protest fun for everyone.Humour and mutual respect are our watchwords.This is a way for disenchanted players to get a new feeling of fun in the game, by venting their frustration in a positive and healing way.We will roleplay a union in the game, and our fellow players will grow to love us.We will entertain them, we will make them laugh, and thereby we will make the difference and turn this game experience around, both for ourselves and for everyone else.


Members will get together via email or on game forums to share slogans and to discuss issues and how to best translate them into the game via roleplaying.Members will be kept posted of events, and hopefully each member will create a character on each server so that we can occasionally enjoy mass action on a particular server – to really bring our point home.Lag is a possibility at these events, so if attendance promises to be high, we may spread the event over a few servers so that our activities don’t upset other players.


The union will be run as a direct democracy.Each member will have an equal voice.Administrators will be voted in by the membership, and elections will be held whenever any two members decide a vote is necessary regarding any issue or to change administrators (assuming someone else wants the job).Details will follow when it’s clear that the union is something that enough people are interested in being a part of.


The first event I’m considering is an anti-slavery march on Tatooine (march route and server to be determined).That should get things off to a humorous start.Let’s discuss ideas for events – anyone can get the ball rolling.Let’s make the events funny, but with an underlying serious message.


If you're interested in joining the UCW, send me a message or email me at [email protected]


Message Edited by Beery on 06-18-2004 10:45 AM


Message Edited by Beery on 06-19-2004 12:28 AM

Message Edited by Beery on 06-19-2004 12:30 AM



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Since June 2004, running one of the game's first completely nonviolent characters. Testing the limits of non-combat MMORPG play and trying to have fun into the bargain (although the developers make it difficult).

Combat is no longer compulsory.
Beery
Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:41 am
#2





Are you a musicianwho istired of cantina management hiring cheap unskilled labour (AFK scabs) who perform poorly and alienate your customers,resulting in lower tips?


Have you had enough of buffbot blacklegs hired bya reactionarycity governmentto put hardworking entertainers out of business for good?


Fed up with the elitist Jedi and Sith, who think entertainers (who, after all, have as many midichlorians as any other group of beings) can't be members of their order?


Are you appalled that slavery still exists in the galaxy, and that entertainers are its most common victims?


Tired of combat professionals who treat entertainers as second-class citizens?


Had enough of cantina management whoallow rude andunscrupulouscustomers toget theirentertainment without paying for it?


Did Jabba the Hutt feed your slave/dancer sister to the Rancor?


Are you tired of certain members of thepublic treating us as if we're little more thanprostitutes?


Had enough of cantina owners who force us to work for tips and refuse to pay us a steady paycheck?


Are you just sick and tired of the lack of respect that entertainers receive throughout the galaxy?


Do you just feel unappreciated and need a group hug?


If you answered yes to any of these questions, it's time for you to do something about it - join the union! The UCW is here to make sure that you have a strongvoice in your community and in your galaxy. The cantina owners, the city government, the Sith, the Jedi, and the Galactic Empirehave billions to spend onpropaganda that keeps us exactlywhere they want us - down and out and begging for their table scraps. But that can change. If we band together we can become a force to be reckoned with at the bargaining table. Our demands can be met, and withthe strong voice that the union provideswe can finallyforce a fair contract down the throats of the powers that seek to oppress and enslave us.


The UCW will organize well-planned and well-populated events that will further our cause and that will bring the public onto our side. With humour and wit, we will alert the people to our cause, and strike fear into the hearts ofthe powers of repression and slavery. Where there is injustice, we will be there - united -to stop it.


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The UCW is not a guild (although if members want it, it could develop into one).It is a loose but committed support group of SWG players who play as entertainment characters and who share common goals, and who stand in solidarity with each other to air our grievances in a lighthearted but effective way.We will get together to attend weekly events, as recently suggested by Warryyr, and we will come to the aid of fellow entertainers when they feel threatened or annoyed with buffbots and AFKers.We are not here to grief other players.On the contrary, the UCW will behave in a way that makes protest fun for everyone.Humour and mutual respect are our watchwords.This is a way for disenchanted players to get a new feeling of fun in the game, by venting their frustration in a positive and healing way.We will roleplay a union in the game, and our fellow players will grow to love us.We will entertain them, we will make them laugh, and thereby we will make the difference and turn this game experience around, both for ourselves and for everyone else.


Members will get together via email or on game forums to share slogans and to discuss issues and how to best translate them into the game via roleplaying.Members will be kept posted of events, and hopefully each member will create a character on each server so that we can occasionally enjoy mass action on a particular server – to really bring our point home.Lag is a possibility at these events, so if attendance promises to be high, we may spread the event over a few servers so that our activities don’t upset other players.


The union will be run as a direct democracy.Each member will have an equal voice.Administrators will be voted in by the membership, and elections will be held whenever any two members decide a vote is necessary regarding any issue or to change administrators (assuming someone else wants the job).Details will follow when it’s clear that the union is something that enough people are interested in being a part of.


The first event I’m considering is an anti-slavery march on Tatooine (march route and server to be determined).That should get things off to a humorous start.Let’s discuss ideas for events – anyone can get the ball rolling.Let’s make the events funny, but with an underlying serious message.


If you're interested in joining the UCW, send me a message or email me at [email protected]


Message Edited by Beery on 06-18-2004 10:45 AM

Message Edited by Beery on 06-19-2004 12:27 AM



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Since June 2004, running one of the game's first completely nonviolent characters. Testing the limits of non-combat MMORPG play and trying to have fun into the bargain (although the developers make it difficult).

Combat is no longer compulsory.
TheSkankinSpiv
Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:52 pm
#3

This call and this organization is obviously formed by the dredges of society, wishing to create chaos just to achive a top position that they dream of. It is through the half truths that show the true nature of this so called "union". Villanizing the employers this organization wishes to use the entertainer masses as thier means of advancement and every cantina player should turn a blind eye to them. Attacking the cantina owners and even the glorious Jabba, prince of Tatooine, was the first action in this message that should arouse suspicion on this organization. One must realize that these entertainers do not give good enough service to call for tips. Be they of the AFK variety or not, thier music and thier dances almost seem like a pre-organized set of moves and sounds that never change. I have yet to find a single entertainer in all my travels with a muse. I belive thier hate of the AFKers is pure laziness and the wish to get more money for thier seeming "hard work".


Then the talk of the slaves and sex. As mentioned above, no real entertianers have risen above the masses with thier own sound, basically a mass of women in exotic leotards. There is one talent, however, that some originality is brought in, and that is the use of sex as an entertaining tool. Of course, there are so many entertainers out there that seem to think that this is no tool to use. Howdo these entertainers expect to make money with thier obviously pre-fab moves they learned from thier teachers? Obviously the poor entertainer will soon rack up debts, and the only way to pay some debts is through indeuntured servitude, what so many call slavery. Transport from an exotic local to some place such as Jabba's court usually constitues as such a debt, and it must be paid in full!


Finally, there is this speak of entertainers being below the combat professionals. This is completely absurd and only true for the weakling entertianers who have no means of protecting themselves. For those, I have to say that they have no place in the galaxy of the galactic civil war and might as well voulenteer into indentured servitude or aquire themselves a... coordinator of sexual services... for protection. These truths are iorn clad and raising questions on them as the above writing shows the inciter who wrote above is just the type of troublemaker that will bring detrement to our community as entertainers.



NEmir Kazer Kal'rakenN
Headman of the Dual Sun Brigands
Master Pirate and Bria's Original Rude Boy

Unofficial Bria Roleplaying Guild Directory Imperial Intelligence Profile: Kazer Kal'raken

"When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro." -Hunter S. Thompson

"Rolling, turning, diving, going in again. Run, live to fly, fly to live, do or die. Run, live to fly, fly to live, aces high."-Iron Maiden


Xyrdre
Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:57 pm
#4


Do you see? Do you see?


The Cantina Bosses are trying to turn the blame back onto the downtrodden! Never will they admit to the racket they have created, and the de-humanizing (and de-twi'lekizing, and de-zabrakising, et. al.) tactics employed against us to keep us down!


Shake off your bonds, and stand tall, entertainers!





Deila Karlossi , Blue Glowie of Dancers, and become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...
TheSkankinSpiv
Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:02 pm
#5






Xyrdre wrote:


Do you see? Do you see?


The Cantina Bosses are trying to turn the blame back onto the downtrodden! Never will they admit to the racket they have created, and the de-humanizing (and de-twi'lekizing, and de-zabrakising, et. al.) tactics employed against us to keep us down!


Shake off your bonds, and stand tall, entertainers!






I am no cantina owner, I am a cantina patron and a musician. I am no professional but I can play most songs that others play, even what is called jazz nowadays. Yet they consider that some great achivement. I make my money with my rifle and my... business. Being a musician is a hobby, yet I am just as good as these so called professionals.



NEmir Kazer Kal'rakenN
Headman of the Dual Sun Brigands
Master Pirate and Bria's Original Rude Boy

Unofficial Bria Roleplaying Guild Directory Imperial Intelligence Profile: Kazer Kal'raken

"When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro." -Hunter S. Thompson

"Rolling, turning, diving, going in again. Run, live to fly, fly to live, do or die. Run, live to fly, fly to live, aces high."-Iron Maiden


Xyrdre
Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:22 am
#6

/chuckle


Roleplaying. Heard of it?


/smile


If your post wasn't an in-character role of the other side (the cantina bosses), then you're just a troll. All cleared up now.





Deila Karlossi , Blue Glowie of Dancers, and become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...
Beery
Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:48 am
#7

Hehe, it's like the McDonalds response to that "Supersize Me" movie, LOL. They hire supposed 'unbiased' ordinary people and pay them money to trash the movie. Watch out folks, the cantina owners have money to spend on disinformation and propaganda, and they're not above hiring desperate people to do their dirty work. We need to be watchful.





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Since June 2004, running one of the game's first completely nonviolent characters. Testing the limits of non-combat MMORPG play and trying to have fun into the bargain (although the developers make it difficult).

Combat is no longer compulsory.
Beery
Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:16 am
#8


"Howdo these entertainers expect to make money with thier obviously pre-fab moves they learned from thier teachers?"


Well, it's not the limited number offlourishesthat separates the good entertainers from the bad (after all, the Galactic Dance Council only allows a certain number of movements - that's how oppressed we performers are)- it's how you string that limited number of flourishestogether in a routine. If you just use the old flourish, flourish, pause routine you learned in training, yeah, you're just cruising along on your training, but a realperformer will time each movement and place all the moves in a routine that is unique andentertaining. That's the art of the profession.

Message Edited by Beery on 06-19-2004 09:20 AM



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Since June 2004, running one of the game's first completely nonviolent characters. Testing the limits of non-combat MMORPG play and trying to have fun into the bargain (although the developers make it difficult).

Combat is no longer compulsory.
TheSkankinSpiv
Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:42 pm
#9


Xyrdre- Yes, I've heard of roleplaying and I do not advocate that sexually devient behavior. Your a prime example of the slime that are of this "movement", attempting tobring me an upstanding member of the citizenry, into your strange acts of perversion. Roleplaying!( *cough* hey xyrdre, if you didn't get the parody of myposts I think the entire thing is completely lost upon you. *cough*)





Beery wrote:


"Howdo these entertainers expect to make money with thier obviously pre-fab moves they learned from thier teachers?"


Well, it's not the limited number offlourishesthat separates the good entertainers from the bad (after all, the Galactic Dance Council only allows a certain number of movements - that's how oppressed we performers are)- it's how you string that limited number of flourishestogether in a routine. If you just use the old flourish, flourish, pause routine you learned in training, yeah, you're just cruising along on your training, but a realperformer will time each movement and place all the moves in a routine that is unique andentertaining. That's the art of the profession.

Message Edited by Beery on 06-19-200409:20 AM





A routine that they never change many times, merely working the same as these AFK entertainers. It is not as though they are improvising on the fly any more, as a majority. Truely, it is rare to find entertainers willing to planmidpreformance everymove they wish to do. A song may be well and fine to play, but I do not see how it is deserving of money if that person plays the same songs hours on end and even more attempting to talk while playing. That is the virutue of the "AFKers", as you so roughly call them in your slang of revolution and chaos. They focus more on thier music as opposed to speaking to every person who comes in the door, as if the people wished them to speak to them. Everyoneknowsvery well that a person only comes to a cantina for a fix of drink and a spot of music that every citizen needs after a hard day of work. It is you, rabble rousers and uprisers the lot, who draw imaginary lines and position your entire statments behind them.


Now, to adress an attack on my person, I have always been a hard working employee of Jabba the Hutt, as an entertainer and in other fuctions. As it is now he rarely calls on my services as I have my own... band... to look after. These personal attacks are a foreshadow of what is to come by this vile and caustic organization. May the entertainer community not be stirried up by these that wish to make it seem as though they are looking out for the best of the community.




NEmir Kazer Kal'rakenN
Headman of the Dual Sun Brigands
Master Pirate and Bria's Original Rude Boy

Unofficial Bria Roleplaying Guild Directory Imperial Intelligence Profile: Kazer Kal'raken

"When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro." -Hunter S. Thompson

"Rolling, turning, diving, going in again. Run, live to fly, fly to live, do or die. Run, live to fly, fly to live, aces high."-Iron Maiden


Beery
Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:48 pm
#10

"Everyoneknowsvery well that a person only comes to a cantina for a fix of drink and a spot of music that every citizen needs after a hard day of work."


If that was true, why haven't we heard more from you before about the lackluster performanceson offer in the cantinas? If you need the music, why have you accepted mediocrity for so long? Why is it only now, with the threat of union organization, that you speak out?


I smell a union-buster.



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Since June 2004, running one of the game's first completely nonviolent characters. Testing the limits of non-combat MMORPG play and trying to have fun into the bargain (although the developers make it difficult).

Combat is no longer compulsory.
TheSkankinSpiv
Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:04 pm
#11






Beery wrote:


If that was true, why haven't we heard more from you before about the lackluster performanceson offer in the cantinas? If you need the music, why have you accepted mediocrity for so long? Why is it only now, with the threat of union organization, that you speak out?


I smell a union-buster.






You haven't heard more from me about the subject because there is no way to change it. Only the muses, some abstract god type figure, could give us some way to spice our performances. Or sexual acts, such as described above. No, I am not speaking out on the mediocrity even now, I'm speaking out on the similarity of the services of the "AFKers" and those who consider themselves different. I'm bringing a true light upon the fact that the services are exactally the same and equally satisfactory. There is no reason why a union should be orgnized to fight for some difference where none exists, no reason to form a union of disunion. Why would people rush to your aid merely because you place on the matle of the great unions before you, such as the Smuggler's Alliance when you are after no great deed as such people.



NEmir Kazer Kal'rakenN
Headman of the Dual Sun Brigands
Master Pirate and Bria's Original Rude Boy

Unofficial Bria Roleplaying Guild Directory Imperial Intelligence Profile: Kazer Kal'raken

"When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro." -Hunter S. Thompson

"Rolling, turning, diving, going in again. Run, live to fly, fly to live, do or die. Run, live to fly, fly to live, aces high."-Iron Maiden


Beery
Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:23 pm
#12

"You haven't heard more from me about the subject because there is no way to change it."


As far as I'm aware that hasn't changed. So my question still stands - why all of a sudden is this your big issue, when the only thing that's changed is the'threat' of a union giving voice to the entertainer community?


As for the difference between AFKers and real entertainers, well if you don't understand that, you don't understand the profession. It's not just about the healing and buffingservices we provide, which are indeed provided just as efficientlyby buffbots and AFKers. If you were acommitted entertainer you'd understand that.


As for 'the mantle of other unions', why do you revere other unions, yet want to stop another similar venture? I think your ulterior motive is becoming clear - seems you're another of those who wants speech to be freer for some than for others. Smugglers deserve a strong voice, but entertainers don't. Your prejudice is showing. Without a real reason for your stance (and I have yet to see anything other than knee-jerk reaction and sophistry), no amount of bluster will convince anyone but yourself.



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Since June 2004, running one of the game's first completely nonviolent characters. Testing the limits of non-combat MMORPG play and trying to have fun into the bargain (although the developers make it difficult).

Combat is no longer compulsory.
Drygo
Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:05 am
#13






TheSkankinSpiv wrote:





Beery wrote:


If that was true, why haven't we heard more from you before about the lackluster performanceson offer in the cantinas? If you need the music, why have you accepted mediocrity for so long? Why is it only now, with the threat of union organization, that you speak out?


I smell a union-buster.






You haven't heard more from me about the subject because there is no way to change it. Only the muses, some abstract god type figure, could give us some way to spice our performances. Or sexual acts, such as described above. No, I am not speaking out on the mediocrity even now, I'm speaking out on the similarity of the services of the "AFKers" and those who consider themselves different. I'm bringing a true light upon the fact that the services are exactally the same and equally satisfactory. There is no reason why a union should be orgnized to fight for some difference where none exists, no reason to form a union of disunion. Why would people rush to your aid merely because you place on the matle of the great unions before you, such as the Smuggler's Alliance when you are after no great deed as such people.







I'm not sure I'm following this line of thinking. If I'm correct here, you're saying that only an act of the "abstract god type figure"...ie, devs, can give us a way to spice up our performances. Then, you're saying that the smugglers are different? How? Aren't they asking for the same thing?


We're asking for the devs to make us viable. And, frankly, if they would, we wouldn't have to argue with each other anymore.




- I support hawtpants
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