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Thread: DZ70 vs. Probot
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Nell2ThaIzzay
Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:47 pm
#1
I'm having a bit of a... well, "crisis" I guess you could say...
I currently have a DZ70 ADV combat droid. I'm not sure the exact # of it's HAM stats, but I know it's about 2400+. I know for sure that the damage rating is 106 - 112.
Well, I've had Expert Blueprints actually for awhile now, and each time I make a Probot, it's the same thing...
Today I tried to make one (My DZ70 is starting to wear down, I need a new combat droid). HAM: 1712, Damage: 105 - 111 (at least as far as I know... I haven't readied the deed. The combat rating is 67, and unless I got the wrong formula, a 67 combat rating droid in a Probot should add up to 105 - 111)
I just don't understand how a Probot could possibly have worse stats than a DZ70. I'd imagine that even the WORST Probot would have better stats than the BEST DZ70, just by default.
So now I ask, what do I need to do to get a Probot with better stats than my DZ70? It shouldn't be model type, should it? DZ70 Advanced vs. Probot Basic? Afterall, the Basic Probot still has 1 more module slot than the DZ70 Advanced, so that would be 1 more combat module. I doubt it can be that.
Could it be resources? Could I be using bad resources, and it has -THAT- much effect on the stats? I mean, I really don't know a whole lot about reading resource quality, and what to look for, and such... I have noticed -small- differences in certain things if I use resources with a green bar on the crafting menu compared to yellow or red. But those differences were small... not really enough of a difference that I've noticed to make an actual difference in the droid.
And if it is resources, what kind of resources should I look for? What stats are important? And what kinds of #'s should I be looking for? Actually, I could use an answer to this question anyways, because that's probably some good knowledge for a Droid Engineer to have.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm running out of micro sensor suites, so I don't have many chances left to get this thing right.
JavelinCatcher
Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:00 pm
#2
What's the base rating on each of the combat modules? Generally that's what's going to affect your damage output.You'll notice on your schematic that the properties are listed as Overall quality: 50% / Conductivity: 50%. This means that the Overall Quality and conductivity stats on your resources equally effect the outcome of the product. Also, as far as the HAM is concerned, the DZ70 requires high Overall Quality metals ...the Probots require high Overall Quality Chemicals (the listing on the schematic is wrong). Generally what would produce this type of outcome is that you've got higher quality metals than chemicals. As for "how much does quality matter?" -It's more of a difference than you would think for the highest of highest of quality components.
Straker_Atrella
Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:24 pm
#3
Here man, lets see if I can help, will be nice to not be arguing with you in a thread 
Ok for Combat modules, you want the best OQ and CNDmetal that you can get. It's a 50/50 split. Copper is usually best, but some of the newer Shipwright Steels are ok as well. You also need a good Inert Gas, OQ is all that matters.
Make the best Combat modules that you can.
Ok now for the droid itself, all that matters in your rsources is Overall Quality. Nothing else matters, so get the best OQ stuff you can. It's nice once you get to the advanced Probot, all you need is a good Chemical. However for now, you are going to need to mess with Steel, Ore, and Chemical.
The final Droid combine does affect the droid accuracy and speed, yet the damage is all combat module driven.
I never really messed with the normal probot, I was an evil grinder. So I can't tell you effectively how a standard Probot compares to an Advanced DZ70. DZ70s and Probots do get a combat bonus, so it is possible that the Advanced DZ70 may get enough of a bonus to negate the extra module on a standard Probot.
Let me know what you find out, use the same resources on both types, I am interested.
I do know that an Advanced Probot kicks the crap out of an Advanced DZ70 though.
Electro5
Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:29 pm
#4
Has anyone experimented with what section actually raises the accuracy and speed? Is it the same category as the HAM, or is it the Experimental Quality?
JavelinCatcher
Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:48 pm
#5
Electro5 wrote:
Has anyone experimented with what section actually raises the accuracy and speed? Is it the same category as the HAM, or is it the Experimental Quality?
The accuracy/speed is affected by the combat modules and the type of droid chasis.
Drashk
Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:51 pm
#6
Electro5 wrote:
Has anyone experimented with what section actually raises the accuracy and speed? Is it the same category as the HAM, or is it the Experimental Quality?
Take a look at this link. Should help you out.
TheRealTK421
Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:24 pm
#7
A lot of times...this is the stumbling block. If you don't have the right resources, it's very hard to get up to the top. This is especially true for Harvest modules.
Straker_Atrella wrote:
Ok for Combat modules, you want the best OQ and CNDmetal that you can get. It's a 50/50 split.
/sigh
I wish some really worthwhile Steel would actually spawn on Ahazi.
/bow
Respectfully,
Straker_Atrella
Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:57 am
#8
JavelinCatcher wrote:
Electro5 wrote:
Has anyone experimented with what section actually raises the accuracy and speed? Is it the same category as the HAM, or is it the Experimental Quality?
The accuracy/speed is affected by the combat modules and the type of droid chasis.
JC, that's not right. Accuracy and Speed deals with your HAM value. It's the effectiveness line.
Nell, once you can make Advanced Probots, the HAM will jump up a ton.
Nell2ThaIzzay
Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:52 pm
#9
Well, I was in the process of trying to make myself a combat oriented R2 droid, and I started getting a bunch of high ratings on my combat modules, so I decided "what the hey, I'll try another Probot".
So the good news, and the bad news:
The good news is, I got a higher damage rating than my DZ70. A 94 combat rating, 109 - 115 damage. Not *MUCH* more than the DZ70's 106 - 111, but it's still better.
The bad news is, my HAM rating is only 1600...
I decided to keep it tho. It has better damage, so I can kill things quicker. Maybe it will stay at range more often than my DZ70 does. And if worst comes to worst, I can rotate between Flux-IV (my DZ70) and Surge-I (my Probot).
JavelinCatcher
Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:09 pm
#10
Straker_Atrella wrote:
JC, that's not right. Accuracy and Speed deals with your HAM value. It's the effectiveness line.
That's kinda wierd. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a probot without .75 Speed / .41 "To Hit"
or an R3 without a speed of 1.5 / .41 "To-Hit".
or an R3 without a speed of 1.5 / .41 "To-Hit".
Then again, I've never used anything below 950 OQ chemicals since publish 7 and actually used the deed myself.
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