Droid Engineer Archive

Thread: Question Jenden should ask Devs.......

Fishbreath
Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:39 am
#1


Ive been depressed before about what our profession has been reduced to, and reading another post today by Wynn 814 ( http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=108372) Ive reached a new low....the Devs, I believe, have missed an opportunity here in pleasing our community a bit.

The questions/comments are going in the wrong direction.....WE are constantly providing input and feedback, to no avail.

The nextquestions should beasked, I believe, tothe Devs.


  • Where do YOU see the Droid Engineer profession going?

  • Why should anyone BE a Droid Engineer?

  • What contribution to SWG do YOU see Droid Engineers making?

  • What makes Droid Engineers important to SWG?

OnceI think we get these answers from the Devs, then many of us can make an intelligent decision as to whether we want to remain Droid Engineers.....many hold onto a dream that things will only get better......Ive been DE long enough to know that things have only gotten worse.


I held hope out that we would be INTEGRAL in the expansion....once again....I feel let down. I dont know how much more of this continual disappointment i can take.


Once we hear from the Devs, what they see the profession providing, and it's importance to SWG, then I think many of us will be in a better position to decide whether to abandon ship.......or go down with the ship. Im a breath away from jumping.

Message Edited by Fishbreath on 04-05-2005 09:40 AM



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Reaperss
Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:50 am
#2

We won' get an answe cause they don't care. Crafters are nothing but an obstacle to these new Dev's. They don't give a $h1t, plain and simple. You know what? F them and the horse they rode in on.



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Jenden
Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:15 am
#3

I like the idea, but I think we need to have our answers to those questions first... thanks for the suggestion! Starting a sticky about it in a bit when I get back.

Message Edited by Jenden on 04-05-2005 10:16 AM



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AudioOrgana
Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:42 am
#4



Jenden wrote:
I like the idea, but I think we need to have our answers to those questions first... thanks for the suggestion! Starting a sticky about it in a bit when I get back.

Message Edited by Jenden on 04-05-2005 10:16 AM





But see, Jenden, that's just falling prey to the vicious "what do YOU want?" cycle.

We've spent the better part of two years coming up with concepts that cover all areas of interest as DE's, only to be either ignored or told "no free checkers".

I don't see wasting OUR time trying to come up with our own answers again. We need parameters to work within, not yet another round of blue-sky "wouldn't it be nice".

That said, I don't think we can expect much development any more. I don't think any crafting profession will. It's clear that new items added to the game are going in the direction of NPC-made. I have a feeling we'll see a reduction of skill points soon, much like Politician and ID professions, and like I assume Merchant is just about to get.

It's all about making things as easy as possible for the combat players, everyone else is being told "be happy with what you've got or we just might take it away".

AO
Jenden
Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:52 am
#5



AudioOrgana wrote:


Jenden wrote:
I like the idea, but I think we need to have our answers to those questions first... thanks for the suggestion! Starting a sticky about it in a bit when I get back.

Message Edited by Jenden on 04-05-2005 10:16 AM





But see, Jenden, that's just falling prey to the vicious "what do YOU want?" cycle.

We've spent the better part of two years coming up with concepts that cover all areas of interest as DE's, only to be either ignored or told "no free checkers".

I don't see wasting OUR time trying to come up with our own answers again. We need parameters to work within, not yet another round of blue-sky "wouldn't it be nice".

That said, I don't think we can expect much development any more. I don't think any crafting profession will. It's clear that new items added to the game are going in the direction of NPC-made. I have a feeling we'll see a reduction of skill points soon, much like Politician and ID professions, and like I assume Merchant is just about to get.

It's all about making things as easy as possible for the combat players, everyone else is being told "be happy with what you've got or we just might take it away".

AO



This may be the direction things seem to be heading in... but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna fight it with everything I've got. But really I've needed to get a good measure on where the DE community stands now as its been a while since we really did that (not talking about issues, talking about direction they'd like to see the profession headed).



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Droid Engineer Blue Glowy
Owner, Operator, and Founder of DarkStar Inc.
Groupy of the best band in the galaxy, Solar Flair
3D art of Jenden by Saeelwenea

RottingLepha
Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:03 pm
#6

We're only a smidgen more useful than Squad Leaders. Those boys have it even rougher than us. Smuggler revamp? Try Squad Leader revamp.


This CU is a fine idea, but combat wasn't really broken. Wonky, sure, but other areas REALLY needed to be fixed more than an entirelly new system.


But then, a fresh new combat system is going to draw back old players and attract new players more than giving DE and SLs something to do.
Straker_Atrella
Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:43 pm
#7

Jenden, here is the question that I feel needs asked.


"When adding new content for everybody to use, why don't you add it in a manner that helps the crafting professions that need it?"


If you are designing a system or feature such as cybernetics from the ground up, why don't you do it right? Why make it a quest thing that nobody profits from, give the DE's a bone. Cybernetics are now obviously a new toy for combatents to play with, why are crafters excluded?



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Zorkk
Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:10 pm
#8






Straker_Atrella wrote:

Jenden, here is the question that I feel needs asked.


"When adding new content for everybody to use, why don't you add it in a manner that helps the crafting professions that need it?"


If you are designing a system or feature such as cybernetics from the ground up, why don't you do it right? Why make it a quest thing that nobody profits from, give the DE's a bone. Cybernetics are now obviously a new toy for combatents to play with, why are crafters excluded?






As I see it, because we're not "combatants!" lol! this is a combat upgrade! nothing to do with crafting i guess.... the dev's just can't seem to think past what their one objective is. They all need to take a week of programming off, play the game, and develop a better sense of the "big picture" that is SWG. I see them all walking around the office with blinders on.


Z




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V1G0
Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:17 pm
#9

They play the game all the time. One has a master BH, one has a TKM /Rifleman, one has a commando/ swordsman...

Sure I don't know the exact templates they have but I don't remember ever seeing one post about playing any crafting profession.



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Straker_Atrella
Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:04 pm
#10






Zorkk wrote:





Straker_Atrella wrote:

Jenden, here is the question that I feel needs asked.


"When adding new content for everybody to use, why don't you add it in a manner that helps the crafting professions that need it?"


If you are designing a system or feature such as cybernetics from the ground up, why don't you do it right? Why make it a quest thing that nobody profits from, give the DE's a bone. Cybernetics are now obviously a new toy for combatents to play with, why are crafters excluded?






As I see it, because we're not "combatants!" lol! this is a combat upgrade! nothing to do with crafting i guess.... the dev's just can't seem to think past what their one objective is. They all need to take a week of programming off, play the game, and develop a better sense of the "big picture" that is SWG. I see them all walking around the office with blinders on.


Z







Zorkk, the kicker is that it ISN'T the combat upgrade. Cybernetics are being released with the expansion, not the CU. Cyberneticsare something we as DEs have been asking for a long time about, now it gets put in game and we don't have anything to do with it.



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AudioOrgana
Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:12 am
#11

Oh, I understand that Jenden.

My point is simply that we've been telling them what "we want" for two years. Unfortunately, the bulk of those requests have gone unanswered.

It's time for them to tell us what we can have. Why frustrate ourselves otherwise?

It's such a red herring - because as soon as we start asking ourselves what we want we get into big time-consuming yet ultimately irrelevant debates like the recent decay discussions. Some people want decay, some don't. Who gives a crap what "we want" if the Dev's aren't even thinking about the idea?

That's why they need to start being up front and telling us where we stand. And, in everything but posting a "decline of the support and crafting professions design document" they've told us where they intend crafting, medic, and entertainer professions to go.

I see a reduction of skill points in our future, and maybe a new module when it suits the combat professions.

So I totally agree with the original poster - the Devs (when they get around to giving us attention again someday) need to tell us what to expect and then we can react. Reacting without input from them has proven inefficent at best.

AO
Fishbreath
Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:41 am
#12

AO has hit the nail on the head....the intent of the post is to discover what the Devs see in the Droid Engineer profession.......there is NO point in asking for, or telling them our desires anymore because we have done that for more than a YEAR.......they already know what we want (if they ever read our forums). Until I (we) know where and how we stand within the game, and how they see us in the future,the point of coming up with a "dream list" is irrelevant. What is the point of dreaming or asking for something they have NO intention of developing?

I'm not asking for a "blank check" on our future.......but I can't ask for what I want until I know how much is "in the bank".


We need an HONEST appraisal of our importance to SWG and it's future, because as of right now, we seem UNIMPORTANT and have NO future..........



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"Dude, where you been"


Howler2
Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:39 am
#13

Well, as the OLDEST MDE on Lowca - I have been silent for a LONG time. Probably too long.


Frankly - SWG is VERY boring for a while now -unless you like combat. My friends and Ijoined with real ideals - my images of building and making real kick-a$$ droids for myself and others - being the best crafter out there. Blazingdroidekas into combats, etc (The other peoplewere master rifle/doc, weaponsmith, master TKA, etc, etc)


Every hope we have seen or have thought of and sent into the devs over the many many months - is flat out ignored.


All my friends have already quit - nothing worth staying for in this game.


While I applaud people's positive/hopeful mental attitude - its time to GET REAL.


Actions speak louder than words - what has SWG done for MDE since the beginning of the game but make MDE the joke class of what COULD be a real game. The ACTIONSthey are taking it are quite clear -

1) They dont know what to do about MDE (case in point the whole JTL stuff - big woop - sold for about 2 months - now they vendor expire to the stockroom unsold)

2) They dont care

3)They are polite but insincere in their conversations with us - they have no plan, nor do they really want one. I have read and seen each of the dev correspondents REALLY trying to make progress - I feel sorry for their wasted effort.

4) constant cop-outs of "no free checkers" - unlessthey are the onesHURTING/nerfing a class.


Deep sigh.


I have made my 100+ million in selling RESOUCES at 2CPU. Not from being a +21 Droid Experiementation MDE with the BEST resources the game has spawned since the beginning of the game on Lowca. Hows that for a real game inbalance. No free checkers my butt - I didnt even need ANY SKILLS to have gotten all those credits(other than basic merchant).


All that is left lately is to keep my ARKYD Probe Droid crates in stock, and get on for 1 hour weekly to refuel the harvestors, take the stuff from last week, and post it on my vendor. (oh-and for those who DONT believe how old my char is I have FUSIONS with BER 20's, yes they do exist - my COMBAT module schematics are 110 rating, etc)


Anyone who wants resources at2 CPU or less shoot me ingame email lowca.howlers - I know you (or anyone) doesnt buy droids !!!


Folks should decide - switch classes to the classes SWG is thinking about, craft things people wont buy - or in my case - become a quiet but largevendor of resources- that ANY classnovicecould sell. Keep hoping for a real change - but out of patience - wondering do I bother to renew the account orwatch TV for that 1 hour a week Im on SWG and eat a 15$ pizza with the monthly fee.


(flame out).

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