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Thread: Help me decide: R3 or a real combat droid ?
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Caljostro
Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:34 am
#1
I looked around on my server and came up with those two droids:
Adv R3 4477 HAM, CR 600, 20% resist
Adv Probot 3184 HAM, CR 525, 20% resist
So I'm confused: is the "real" combat droid really weaker in battle than the R3 ? Or is there a hitch I don't see ?
Should I buy the R3 ? Is there something specific I should ask the DE about (e.g. which modules exactly were used) ?
I want a droid that supports me (ranged attack), not necessarily as tank, but helping me getting (single) MOBs down faster and saving me chilling time on yellow/red MOBs.
They are both the same price (55.000 cr). Is that ok ?
Adv R3 4477 HAM, CR 600, 20% resist
Adv Probot 3184 HAM, CR 525, 20% resist
So I'm confused: is the "real" combat droid really weaker in battle than the R3 ? Or is there a hitch I don't see ?
Should I buy the R3 ? Is there something specific I should ask the DE about (e.g. which modules exactly were used) ?
I want a droid that supports me (ranged attack), not necessarily as tank, but helping me getting (single) MOBs down faster and saving me chilling time on yellow/red MOBs.
They are both the same price (55.000 cr). Is that ok ?
Buzz1096
Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:53 am
#2
I've done a lot of testing with different combat configurations. Here are my opinions on the subject, they are not the opinions of the of this station's management and like tonsils everyones got one and most are useless.
Probots are better than R3s in combat because:
1) Better combat AI (R3s tend to run off more)
2) They hit faster and harder even though they might have a lower top end combat rating.
3) I can't exactly prove this, but I think that the probot gets hit less, making up for it's 1300 less HAM
4) Probots will attack with no combat mods, so you can load them up with autorepair if you want them to tank only and do extremely little damage if you want all the kill xp.
Both those droids you listed are good, with HAMs near the top end of 4500 for R3s and 3200 for probots, 600 combat is the hard cap for the R3 and550 for the probot. The armor is maxed at 20% (when you call it the 2nd time it will show 40%, which is a display bug) 55k is low or the R3 and about right for the probot.
R0ZM4N
Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:55 am
#3
ah the R3 v's probot debate. Take my advice flower, if you actually want it for combat and not for show, the R3 is the better unit. Damage over time is roughly equal (others will argue) but the blasted probots have this really infuriating habit of 'running away' in order to meet it's range preferences, often leaving you to face the music against all of it's targets rather unimpressed mates 
Them AR3's will charge in and fight tooth and nail to save your hide and you'll grow to love and appreciate him despite the fact he looks like a dustbin with wheels.
Them AR3's will charge in and fight tooth and nail to save your hide and you'll grow to love and appreciate him despite the fact he looks like a dustbin with wheels.Hope that helps, I'm sure you'll get more advice.
Kisses
Cass
Gavvot
Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:06 am
#4
For combat, the different chassis have impact on the formula resulting on the combat stats from the combat rating.
To make it simple, with the 2 droids that you've described, if you buy them and ready them you'll see this :
The R3 will do about 160 dmg every 1.5 second.
The Probot will do about 180 dmg every 0.75 seconds.
For more acurate result try to find the formulas in one of the sticky.
If I remember correctly, for damage it's about Rate/600 * 85 + 85 for the R3 max dmg(replace 85 by 75 for min dmg) and it's Rate/600 * 95+95 for the probot min damage (replace 95 by 100 for max dmg)
So, if you're looking for a damage dealer, pick the probot.
He'll do more dmg per hit and will hit twice more often.
Also, The probot is ranged only, the R3 is melee and ranged, and the LE is melee only.
Also, the probot move faster.
And for the speed boost of the probot in combat, I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's even much faster against multiple targets.
To make it simple, with the 2 droids that you've described, if you buy them and ready them you'll see this :
The R3 will do about 160 dmg every 1.5 second.
The Probot will do about 180 dmg every 0.75 seconds.
For more acurate result try to find the formulas in one of the sticky.
If I remember correctly, for damage it's about Rate/600 * 85 + 85 for the R3 max dmg(replace 85 by 75 for min dmg) and it's Rate/600 * 95+95 for the probot min damage (replace 95 by 100 for max dmg)
So, if you're looking for a damage dealer, pick the probot.
He'll do more dmg per hit and will hit twice more often.
Also, The probot is ranged only, the R3 is melee and ranged, and the LE is melee only.
Also, the probot move faster.
And for the speed boost of the probot in combat, I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's even much faster against multiple targets.
Message Edited by Gavvot on 07-05-2004 03:08 PM
Buzz1096
Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:06 am
#5
Wow, you said nearly the opposite as me. Heh, like I said - everyone's got an opinion. I guess it all comes down to playingstyle. I noticed that sometimes even the probot does attempt to run when it is near being incapped, but in my OPINION does less than the Astromechs. Most times it will stand in there till it goes down.
I know that droids fighting each other probably has no bearing on performance against mobs, but a 3200 HAM/547 combat adv. probot beats a 4500 HAM/600 combat adv. R3 every time. Test it, you'll see.
R0ZM4N
Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:14 am
#6
teeheehee
It's always the same with this one, I must clarify that I totally agree to all the above 2 posters points in that the probot does more damage, tends to do it faster and if you set one up against the other, (especially a 525 pro) the probot will win nearly every time, i've done the tests, I've seen the results.
What I've also seen is you tell an AR3 to attack and you'll see it fire a couple o' LLC bolts and then charge right in but a Probot will *get* charged and then startkiting at a high rate of knots leaving you to the rest of the mobs. It's not that it's 'running away' it's just that it seems to prefer a certain range and if the mob is willing to attack it has to get away from it to meet that requirement.
Buzz1096
Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:28 am
#7
Absolutely right on that, I'm thinking of running away as the tendency to get 'lost' that the R2s/3s can do. As far as 'standing in there' no droid does that better than the LE. But don't expect a lot of damage production from the thing. It's damage and speed calculation is along the same lines as the R3, but it maxes at 330 combat.
I put a probot to work on an LE and the LE almost won by default. The probot's battery ran down during the fight, LOL.
Buzz1096
Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:29 am
#8
Not to mention the whole thing was hella funny and bizzare. You gotta try it sometime.
Rippen208
Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:02 am
#9
One thing to remember is similar to what Roz said. My frustration with Probots is this: If the Probot is engaged and is taking damage, and you want to heal it, you have to chase it all over creation trying to keep it close enough to shoot a droid stim into it. VERY FRUSTRATING. You end up having to tell it to follow, and the whole excercise messes up your whole combat routine sometimes. This doesn't happen with an R3. So, along with the stats debate, take that into consideration.
Rippen
Rippen
Gavvot
Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:19 am
#10
Hum, you group with him, you tell him to stay, you select him from the group window on the left of your screen and you heal it.
Never had any trouble with my probot.
But I'm a TKA, so I tank and he deal the damages.
Never had any trouble with my probot.
But I'm a TKA, so I tank and he deal the damages.
Squygxicus
Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:56 am
#11
Yes the major debate. Not even DE's can agree on which is better! 
It really depends on style. I'm a DE with rifle. I love my LE! I havent gotten around to "fixing" him as my materials got better and I can produce better HAM's, but hes got two combat modules and an autorepair. (I would put two autorepair and a combat in when I "fix" him)
But hes great, he trundles off to attack a lair. Im 60M out and usually nothing aggros me. He stands there punching the lair for minimal damage at a huge delay between attacks and I stand (or kneel) back and pick off the mobs one by one. Ive done it vs some mobs without armour! When his HAM gets low you target the LE run in and give him a shot of your stim.
But I have an alternate swordsman. He loves his Probot. Nothing worse than having a MOB run away after taking near fatal damage and you have to chase him around. Just have your probot hanging back tell him to attack and you get all your xp without moving away from the lair.
It all depends on your style.
Caljostro
Tue Jul 06, 2004 4:07 am
#12
Argghh, I had a bad feeling when asking, fearing it might lead to a 50:50 discussion as it did. Sorry for that.
Well, I think I just get both then. I doubt it'll be wasted money. Thanks for the answers and explanations.
Sorry for that.Well, I think I just get both then. I doubt it'll be wasted money. Thanks for the answers and explanations.
Stravros
Tue Jul 06, 2004 4:22 am
#13
old posting but from making r3 combat and probot other night and taking them out ill take probot for same reasons listed above you dont need ham if the things dead at your feet quicker than r3 standing there shooting away. plus they look cooler but favorite for watching in combat so far is the le repair model, if only they could take more combat units, watching it punch away is funny if you ever get to try one.
but favorite for watching in combat so far is the le repair model, if only they could take more combat units, watching it punch away is funny if you ever get to try one.
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