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Sorry but I don't agree with most of this..........

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Combat droids. We want to add Droid Modules that will convert many droids and give them combat abilities. ONLY Droid Engineers will be able to make and use these modules. Setting expectations, these changes involve a lot of people and its not something that’s going to happen fast.

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Yes we should be able to take out more than one droid at a time, but if CH's can bring out more than 1 combat pet, why can't DE's??

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Increase Repair Droid functionality. What is planned is to Make Repair Droids work similarly to current pet healing standards. One of the ways we would make Droids more star warsy is to give the Repair Droids expendable droid items to charge up.

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There is a perception that Power droids do not work. To address this, we could give Power Droids the ability to add power to a harvester and attach directly to the facility. Functionally, maintenance fees would go up a bit, but they would not require power. The Power Droid WOULD degrade over time and would have to be replaced.

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Power droids work fine!!, I use them to charge other people droids all the time, there is no need to change this droid as it works fine, if DE's had the ability to call more than one droid it would work even better, coz you could rechargeyour other droid without getting batteries out!!

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I'm an old school Master DE, and this is my take on what should be changed/fixed.........

MSE = Remove the ability to insert General Socket Clusters thus preventing overpowerd MSE's.

DZ-70 = Give the droid inherant ability to track npc's or to track a players location.

Surgical Droid = Give the droid the inherent ability to slowly heal group members wounds and/or to heal group members from incap if it has stims stored

LE Repair Droid = Give droid the inherent ability to repair droids, like the functionality of a repair module.

Binary Load Lifters = Give the droid the inherent ability to hold 200 items.

Protocol Droid = Fix customisation so colors work, give the droid ability to accept custom text strings from owners so that when another player converses with the droid, the droid will reply with the programmed text string.

Probot = Increase HAM, Increase Damage

Seekers = Fine as they are

EG6 = Fix color customisation so colors store when re-called

R2 = Fix color customisation so colors store when re-called. (Add functionality for Space Expansion)

R3 = Give inherant ability as a weapon/droid crafting station

R4 = Give inherant ability as a food/chemical crafting station

WED = Give inherant ability as a structure/furniture crafting station

And before you do any of the above..................Give us some new COMBAT DROIDS................All this talk about balancing CH, why not balance DE with CH, even if that's not possible at least give us some Droidekas or something..........DE is getting old, and fast.......we don't just need fixes, we need somthing cool and special like combat droids.

Thanks for listening =)

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Saigo - Chunder - Jushin - Brekke

QUIT COMPLAINING ALREADY!!!!

I was going to post here in support of you... but then I realised that posting in this forum is an absolute waste of time.

Not even your DE corrospondant can communicate with whoever (or whatever) is the coding the DE profession. I don't think they have ever read the forums here.

You want bugs fixed, droids you can sell, plus some useful combat droids for yourselves... the DE programmers are making you into a combat class that uses exploding mouse droids and gadgets to kill.

My god... I'm not even a DE and I understand your plight.

Seriously people... I hate to say it.. but the only way you are going to get the attention you deserve is to drop this useless profession and either find another profession or quit this game.

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Jedicart wrote:

Yes we should be able to take out more than one droid at a time, but if CH's can bring out more than 1 combat pet, why can't DE's??

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And before you do any of the above..................Give us some new COMBAT DROIDS................All this talk about balancing CH, why not balance DE with CH, even if that's not possible at least give us some Droidekas or something..........DE is getting old, and fast.......we don't just need fixes, we need somthing cool and special like combat droids.

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DE stands for droid engineer, CH stands for creature handler, they ARE NOT the same. Droid engineers make droids for other people, not themselves. If DE's got stronger combat droids they would have to be certed to a combat profession (most likely a new droid handler profession) for a couple reasons. First of all, they should NOT go to DE's as we are not, never were inteded to be, nor ever should be a combat class. We are droid ENGINEERS, not handlers. Then, they couldn't just go to anyone as the dev's have already said that a pet should never replace another character (and this makes perfect sense, if you don't want to have to group with others then go find a single player game). As it stands, with the upcomming creature and pet changes, the probot as it is will outperform a non-ch pet any day of the week (especially if we get some way to heal them as it looks like they were talking about). Bottom line, should there be more combat droids in SWG, probably, is there any way for it to happen that would turn out well, no.

Jenden Morn - Master Droid Engineer - Mos Espa, Tarquinas

Owner, Operator, and Founder of DarkStar Inc.

Yes thats right DE stands for Droid Engineer and CH stands for Creature handler, well done, 5 points to Jenden.......

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Droid engineers make droids for other people, not themselves

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Maybe you do, but I became a DE to make droids for myself.......now don't get me wrong, I make them for other people too, but that's just to make cash, not coz I enjoy getting RSI from clicking through my crafting windows....

Droid Engineer's make droids for themselves and other people, Creature Handlers tame creatures for themselves and other people....................

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If DE's got stronger combat droids they would have to be certed to a combat profession (most likely a new droid handler profession)

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Why? your obviously a newb, coz I speak for 99% of the DE community when I say that if a Droid Handler proffesion was implimented............there would be no more DE's, why? coz we would all feel like we were screwed over...

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First of all, they should NOT go to DE's as we are not, never were inteded to be, nor ever should be a combat class. We are droid ENGINEERS, not handlers

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Please, if the basis of your argument is simply the definition of a Engineer V Handler then something wrong. I followed the development of this game since pretty much its conception, and I tell ya something......CH was never ever ever suppossed to be what it is today in the game, the devs know this, and they trying to correct it now.......There are far more examples of combat droids than combat creatures in the SW universe, and to me...it seems as if CH and DE has its roles reversed. Right now, as it stands, DE is pretty much useless, the fact we cannot make any combat droids of any decent power is a joke, yet CH's run round killing Dark Jedi's etc........now, use your mind Jenden, think hard........A Droid Engineer, a Droid Engineer that cannot program or use his own droids? how realistic is that? its pathetic....

We are ENGINEERS not handlers

no s**t sherlock, but CH's dont handle their pets, they command 60ft monsters into battle for them, so i'd happily get rid of our engineer title and change that to something more appropriate, if it suits what you see fit????

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Then, they couldn't just go to anyone as the dev's have already said that a pet should never replace another character (and this makes perfect sense, if you don't want to have to group with others then go find a single player game). As it stands, with the upcomming creature and pet changes, the probot as it is will outperform a non-ch pet any day of the week (especially if we get some way to heal them as it looks like they were talking about). Bottom line, should there be more combat droids in SWG, probably, is there any way for it to happen that would turn out well, no.

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I'm not saying make combat droids that are overpowered, simply combat droids that are equal to their organic friends the CH pet.........there is nothing wrong with having droids as powerful as CH pets in the game, if you think otherwise you havnt watched any of the films.........why do Jedi run from droidekas???????????

If CH pets are to be re-balanced, simply do the same with the DE combat pets...if they are ever implimented....which they probably will be....

lol you think a probot is fine? more powerful that a CL10 CH pet maybe......but what use is a CL10 pet anyway?, hell CL15 pets are pretty much crap, at least to high end stuff...............basically you got one route in this game for power, thats CH.........and that is also BS, I know, and believe me when I say I know...........most people would like to see combat droids in SWG to rival CH pets, and most DE's that would be able to make these combat droids would not stand for a new class to be skilled in to weild their own creations.....there'd be no DE

I find it funny that the small percentage of DE like yourself are happy to be skilled in a buggy semi-useless proffesion and almost cry about the prospect of one day SOE adding a droideka schematic to your skills and letting you weild a couple of em...................are you really a DE? coz if I logged in today and found that......I'd never complain bout DE again...

To round this off.......................go be a CH, coz that type of anti DE progression sucks.

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Saigo - Chunder - Jushin - Brekke

QUIT COMPLAINING ALREADY!!!!

I appreciate the support Soren, and yeah I know, its near useless to try and get heard in these forums....I only really post when I feel somewhat enraged or happy, this was one of those enraged times....I cant believe what the DE report says, its really a joke, we wait for ages for some decent info, what do we get?

Exploding MSE's????

I mean c'mon....please

Now no offence to our correspondent, but if thats the type of responces we are getting, hell, I'll be correspondent........seriously, I'd like to hehe

I prolly know every bug/non functionality of all the droids, how EG6's and repair mods got into that report I do not know..............we dont care about the things that work, its the things that dont work.....

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Saigo - Chunder - Jushin - Brekke

QUIT COMPLAINING ALREADY!!!!

At the risk of rasing your ire, Jedicart, I will respectfully partially disagree with you on Power Droids and Repair Modules working. However, let me state that it is partial disagreement. And in light of what Thunderheart is reporting back to us, I believe they are at least on the right track with the repair modules.

Power Droids: Yeah, they power up other droids, but then run out of power themselves. Relatively quickly at that. You may consider that functional. I personally do not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Based on the SW Universe (which you refer back to), one of the LAST things Power Droids do is run out of power.

However, this is not about the SW Universe--this is about the realities of SWG, and in SWG, thePower Droids run out of power. This is tantamount to having to add power to a Wind Harvester. Do we have to do that now? No. Why? It would be silly to have to power something that is supposed to generate power. The same logic should apply to the Power Droid, but at present it does not. However, if they make the change they are indicating here--that a power droid can be used as a harvester battery--that's at least a good start for making these droids truly useful.

Same goes for repair. You may consider it functional. And I would agree with you that using a non-personality-module and non-power droid with the Droid Repair module installed does in fact heal the wounds (black bar) of damaged droids. However, I believe that the Repair module is at least lacking if not completely functional. Based on what Thunderheart is reporting back, and interpreting it my own way (which may not be the way it was intended or the way others will interpret it), they are talking about making repair modules repair the white as well as the black bars. This would be a boon to the DE profession--much like pet stims can be used to heal pets, so would repair-capable droids be able to heal other droids. I'd love to see this change.

So again, I am not completely disagreeing with you, but I do believe there is room for improvement here. As for your other points, I think there is merit to some, not as much to others. But those too are my opinions. That is one of the intended purposes of this forum--to allow different people to share their opinions. So what if the DEVs never read it? Yeah, we'd like that, we'd hope for that, but it's not under our control. So we do what we can by making the data available to them if they choose to use it.

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Jedicart wrote:

Yes thats right DE stands for Droid Engineer and CH stands for Creature handler, well done, 5 points to Jenden.......

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Congrats, you've got the maturity level of a 12 year old.

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Maybe you do, but I became a DE to make droids for myself.......now don't get me wrong, I make them for other people too, but that's just to make cash, not coz I enjoy getting RSI from clicking through my crafting windows....

Droid Engineer's make droids for themselves and other people, Creature Handlers tame creatures for themselves and other people....................

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If you wanted to have a bunch of pets or don't enjoy crafting why didn't you become a CH?

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Why? your obviously a newb, coz I speak for 99% of the DE community when I say that if a Droid Handler proffesion was implimented............there would be no more DE's, why? coz we would all feel like we were screwed over...

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Don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea of a droid handler class either, but I like the idea of Droid engineers as a combat profession even less (and if your taking this forum as 99% of the DE community you have to remember that very little of the actual community is active on the forums). While I may not speak for everyone if you look through some of the post you will find that there are many of others (mainly the ones who have thought things through) that do not want to become a combat class.

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Please, if the basis of your argument is simply the definition of a Engineer V Handler then something wrong. I followed the development of this game since pretty much its conception, and I tell ya something......CH was never ever ever suppossed to be what it is today in the game, the devs know this, and they trying to correct it now.......There are far more examples of combat droids than combat creatures in the SW universe, and to me...it seems as if CH and DE has its roles reversed. Right now, as it stands, DE is pretty much useless, the fact we cannot make any combat droids of any decent power is a joke, yet CH's run round killing Dark Jedi's etc........now, use your mind Jenden, think hard........A Droid Engineer, a Droid Engineer that cannot program or use his own droids? how realistic is that? its pathetic....

Don't get me wrong, CH's shouldn't be in the game at all, let alone as powerful as they currently are. I actively hate CH's with a passion, but not just because they have creatures and thats not very star warsy. If you just replace CH with DE you don't solve to problem, you just change its form. that doesn't help anyone and actually just complicates things further as DE is already a more complicated class than CH.

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I'm not saying make combat droids that are overpowered, simply combat droids that are equal to their organic friends the CH pet.........there is nothing wrong with having droids as powerful as CH pets in the game, if you think otherwise you havnt watched any of the films.........why do Jedi run from droidekas???????????

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And who would be able to use these powerful droids? If there was a reasonable system in place for making sure that it was well balanced I'd be all for it, but like I said in the above issue, you have to fix the problem, not just shuffle it into a different profession.

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lol you think a probot is fine? more powerful that a CL10 CH pet maybe......but what use is a CL10 pet anyway?, hell CL15 pets are pretty much crap, at least to high end stuff...............basically you got one route in this game for power, thats CH.........and that is also BS, I know, and believe me when I say I know...........most people would like to see combat droids in SWG to rival CH pets, and most DE's that would be able to make these combat droids would not stand for a new class to be skilled in to weild their own creations.....there'd be no DE

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The probot is fine, I just talked to a BH the other day that had bought a probot a few days before. They said that it was making their BH missions much easier because it was perfect in the combat support role. It will take quite a beating (no, not too long against high level stuff, but if it did then why would you ever need combat skills?).While I wouldn't mind seeing combat droids in the DE profession, I think that it would seriously hurt the profession in the long run, as there would be a huge influx of people who could care less about anything other than getting the overpowered droids. Then we have the exact same problems with DE's as we have with CH's now.

As far as the DE's not being able to use their own droids, if this would cause an outrage then why aren't the BE's rioting? They can't make the pets they make. Does this seem wrong to you?

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I find it funny that the small percentage of DE like yourself are happy to be skilled in a buggy semi-useless proffesion and almost cry about the prospect of one day SOE adding a droideka schematic to your skills and letting you weild a couple of em...................are you really a DE? coz if I logged in today and found that......I'd never complain bout DE again...

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Like I said before, I love the DE profession, I agree that things need to be fixed, but not at the expense of the game. If you want to fight and be good in combat, go become a combat craft, if you want to have pets, become a CH, if you want to craft, become a DE, there's something out there for everyone.

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To round this off.......................go be a CH, coz that type of anti DE progression sucks.

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I don't even get where you got this one. DE's have no place in the star wars universe. DE progression at the expense of the game itself is not progress. I would rather see new droids that did useful things than new combat droids that further screwed up the balance of the game.

Jenden Morn - Master Droid Engineer - Mos Espa, Tarquinas

Owner, Operator, and Founder of DarkStar Inc.

If DE's got stronger combat droids they would have to be certed to a combat profession (most likely a new droid handler profession)

I didn't even bother reading the rest of his post after I read this.

We may be engineers. They may be handlers. But how is it that they can tame 10k HAM creatures as long as they can find them, when we can walk past a 9300 HAM Droideka on Lok and simply hang our heads that some OTHER "engineer" made those and we cannot?

I agree with Jedicart. We are engineers. We make marvels of technology that are most likely smarter than their creators. We can make a droid stand up to the test of time for millenia. We can craft a 10 foot tall statue with big hands, yet it does nothing. We can create useful tools we cannot even use (such as the seeker). We can create storage of mass amounts of data, as long as it's a schematic. We can create a mouse that can store the same 10 items as a massive Load Lifter. Why, then, can we not outfit our buddy R2 with a blaster? Why can we not design a wholely new body concept more geared toward combat? Why is it that we can create the best armor in the game with our best armor module, but if we take it down a couple notches and just add two, we can come up with the same results?

None of the above makes sense to me. I love our little droid friends. But they need more real application. If droideka and the IG series, along with many others, can exist, why can they not be created?

And as for the exploding MSE...I like that idea, if only because I've always wanted to do that myself

Marc, sorry if you got the impression I'd bite ya head off, I'm really a laid back kinda guy, I just love the DE profession and get fed up with it going nowhere =)) saying that though, totaly agree with ya..................................

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Power Droids: Yeah, they power up other droids, but then run out of power themselves. Relatively quickly at that. You may consider that functional. I personally do not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Based on the SW Universe (which you refer back to), one of the LAST things Power Droids do is run out of power.

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Excellent point Marc, yeah they do run out of power, I dont think it's quicker than any other droid running out of power - which is something I think needs to be also fixed (longer lasting batteries)......I'm not sure if an EG-6 has a dilithium warp core inside it though and should last forever but still, yeah....least thing they can do is increase battery life, maybe they can get the ever-ready-bunny out?

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Same goes for repair. You may consider it functional. And I would agree with you that using a non-personality-module and non-power droid with the Droid Repair module installed does in fact heal the wounds (black bar) of damaged droids. However, I believe that the Repair module is at least lacking if not completely functional. Based on what Thunderheart is reporting back, and interpreting it my own way (which may not be the way it was intended or the way others will interpret it), they are talking about making repair modules repair the white as well as the black bars. This would be a boon to the DE profession--much like pet stims can be used to heal pets, so would repair-capable droids be able to heal other droids. I'd love to see this change.

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Yeah another good point mate, repair mods dont work in converse droids or EG-6's, however in all other droids it functions as intended. I dunno if a repair mod should actualy heal the droids pools aswell as its wounds, although we definately need some type of droid healing mechanic.........I think making the LE Repair droid act as a droid healer would be most effective, it could heal wounds and pool damage, providing it has a supply of some type of droid stimpack to heal the pool damage.

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Saigo - Chunder - Jushin - Brekke

QUIT COMPLAINING ALREADY!!!!

Jen.....

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Well, you did start your post by trying to explain to me the difference between a CH and a DE, now, I simply replied congratulating you on knowing the differences =) actually its more like a 25 year old but I wont hold it against ya =)

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Yeah I wanted a bunch of pets, was kinda disappointed when I found out I couldn't have an R2 and a 3PO out at the same time, but I'm hanging in there, hopefully it be fixed one day huh................Yeah I enjoy crafting, but any Master DE will tell you that grinding through DE is little fun, it's the reward at the end of the tunnel that makes it worth while, being able to make any droid of any config for yourself or others.......and errr no, CH is an insult, I never once wanted a cute furry animal to help fight with me on the battlefield, nor a 60ft tall monster that I could never conceivably control...

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Again I don't follow you here, It's almost as if you don't want something cool to be added to us? and why? I just find it hard to believe that a DE would complain about the prospect of being able to control a couple of battle droids, its really weird........

And yeah ok fair enough 99% of the boards don't mean anything, but again, I speak to a lot of DE's, most in-game, and none express the same view that you have, none at least that I have met.

Further more, don't insult me or the rest of the NORMAL DE's here................. "mainly the ones who have thought this through".........c'mon, please, You sound like a CH desperately trying to keep CH above anything else.....I have thought through many things associated with DE, and I can tell you now, giving us a couple of combat droids, and letting us use them, would make most DE very very happy indeed, although your free to have your own opinion of course =)

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Whoever said to replace CH with DE? I said to balance them...............................

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DE would be able to use these droids, maybe add certs to all elite comb professions so they can wield say 1 combat droid, let DE's wield 2 or 3..............again I know you gonna go at it with this one coz you don't want DE having combat droids they can use....again I say, that's a weird view for a DE.....

Fix what problem? shuffle what into a different profession?

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The Probot is fine........................now if that is not the response from a newb DE I dunno what is............you just talked to a BH the other day and he said it was fine? says it all mate, you don't even test your droids yourself???

So you say the Probot takes quite a bit of beating, but not from high level stuff..........lol do you not even see what's wrong with that statement............of course they effective against low level mobs, my CDEF Rifle is effective against low level mobs...........now put a probot against anything remotely high lvlish, and it will drop like a fly!!!!!! overall its pretty useless, it needs to be fixed........the one combat droid that we do have, and it sucks...

So having combat droid would seriously hurt the profession in the long run.......hmmm, even if they put the schematics for the combat droids in the blueprint tree, if the DE wanted to make any decent ones he would effectively need to be a Master DE to provide the droid with decent armour and mods............now DE is known for being a difficult, time consuming grind.........that alone would limit the freeloaders.........

Now I hear mention that certs may indeed go to various professions, i.e. combat professions get certs for comb droids, med professions get certs for med droids etc........sounds good to me, and there still no problem with DE wielding 2-3 comb droids.........

About the BE thing...........to be honest I couldn't give a rats ass about BE and they nothing like DE, for a start DE is everything star wars, BE is a supplement to a poorly designed class, the CH............I'll say it again, if devs implement a Droid Handler profession..........it would be a very bad mistake on their part, coz practically all DE's would be enraged and gutted at wasting their time in the hope of one day having a cool profession. You talk about freeloaders using DE to simply get the power, what do you think would happen if DH came in................

The safest option is certs for related professions, keeping a Master DE with 2-3 droids of any type.

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Expense of the game? dude they haven't even come up with a certain system yet and already your discounting it...................DE in no way could ruin this game more than CH already has...........infact making DE better would make the game better for all, not just DE................

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DE's have no place in the Star Wars Universe........ummm am I hearing you correctly?

DE progression at the expense of the game wouldn't happen bud, you first need to give things a chance before you discount them.............

YOUWOULD rather see new droids that did useful things? ...........I WOULD prefer our existing droids that simply did what they were designed too.........................

And combat droids would do nothing but increase the appeal of the game to most...except the DE's that hate DE's like yourself..........just kidding, I know you don't hate DE, you just don't think like one =)) least the ones I come across...........

Nice discussion though, cains me off some time sitting at my desk at work =))

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Saigo - Chunder - Jushin - Brekke

QUIT COMPLAINING ALREADY!!!!