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Thread: pets are immortal and droids can die? What the hell are you DEVs thinking???

Salporin_Wookie
Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:44 pm
#1

Ok, it seemed a little silly at first, but tonight it struck home. I landed at the starport in moenia and ran out the front door. there in the courtyard were at least 30 people running around leading pets! I was willing to let the pet thing go until this moment. StarWars Gallaxies became PetWars Parrodies. Do you devs have any idea how silly this is? You're supposed to be following the movies... at least as a guideline. Besides Bantha's and dewbacks ridden as mounts, I can only think of one instance of a creature being a pet in the movies and that was the Rancor in Jabba's dungeon... but he was so wild he had to be caged! Sure, the witches on Dathomir rode rancors into battle, but they supposedly had a special relationship with them. In the later movies (ep1 and 2) you saw more animals, but used as beasts of burden.


StarWars is not starwars without droids. One of the first things I did in this game was buy some droids. I had a pair of probots for bodyguards named Lenny and Squiggy. I got attached to them and as long as I could have my droids, I could forgive all the pet silliness. I got quite attached to lenny and squiggy, since I am an artisan and they are my only protection while harvesting. Then comes along the nerf of all nerfs!


Pets can be incapped and even DB'd and they go back into the owner's datapad... but droids... that are not alive to begin with... die when only incapped!!!!!!!


Well, I thought no big deal... I don't hunt with them anyway. Tonight I was checking a factory with ole squiggy. Up pops a bunch of aggro mobs spawning around us. Squiggy jumps into action to defend me and eventually incapps (as he has many times before) only THIS TIME what I see is "courpse of Squiggy"! Not only that, but if squiggy had been carrying anything, I could not get it off his courpse since I did not have access to it!!!


Now, even you DEVs have to admit this is kind of stupid.


*gungan Kaadu is shot out from under it's rider with one shot = dead kaadu


*C-3PO is blown to bits by a stormtrooper + couple hours of chewie and some tools= nearly goos as new droid


*Rancor takes a spiky door to the top of the head = dead rankor


*R2D2 has his head blown off while attacking the death start + a couple hours witht he techs = droid getting a medal from leia


See a pattern here? Here's how to fix it...


immortal pets = less sales for creature handlers... pets are mortal... sorry people, pets should be incapped like everyone else, and if they are death-blowed, oh well... more business for CHs.


dying droids = sure in theory, droid engineers should sell more, but in truth, no one wants to buy droids! Instead, make incapped droids become a pile of scrap parts. these parts have to be taken to a DE for repair!... more business for DEs


Make droids more useful! give them limits, but make people WANT them. People can have 2 pets out at one time, but only one droid??? How the hell am I supposed to make use of my repair droid to fix my damaged probot if I can't have them both out at the same time?


What would have happened on endor?


Luke: "Into the datapad 3PO, I need R2 to hack this door."


3PO: "But Master luke! You need me to talk to the ewoks! What if the imperials..."


Luke: "3PO, you know the rules... the devs say I can only have one of you out at a time."


3PO: "but sir..." luke pushes store button


R2: "Beep-boop beep!"


Luke: "hack that door R2"


Ewok: "blah blah bl-blah"


Luke: "what's he saying R2?"


Ewok: "blah blah bl-blah!"


BANG!


R2: "Wwwhhhhooooooaaa!"


Luke: "Oh no! R2's been incapped so now he's dead! There goes the entire expanded universe where I flit about the sky with him in my x-wing!"


Ewok: "blah blah bl-blah... "


Luke: pushes 3po's call button as he looks around at hundreds of stormtroopers "What's he saying 3PO?"


3PO: "He said 'the imperials are coming' "


Ewok: "blu blah bl-blah...bah-blubbbu!"


3PO: " and 'you're on your own... you idiot' "


Luke: "At least I still have you with me 3PO."


3PO: walks to the stormtroopers... "You're on your own, you idiot"




Sal Po'Ryn
(pre-NGE)Master Architect,Master Artisan,Master Merchant
(post-NGE) Master Shipwright
SalCo Industries, a subsidiary of SalSlak Corp
Numanjii City, Naboo (Ahazi) wp: -2203, 644
Rhaine Starfal
(pre-NGE) master Creature Handler, Master Dancer
(post-NGE) Ace rebel pilot, Lancer Squadron, 13th Roving line
B-wing pilot - Lancer 5
B-wing(The Big Stick), KSE(June Bug), Nova(Serenity), Y8(The Beast)
CBGaV
Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:55 pm
#2

You couldn't possibly be more right. Up with Droids! Down with Beasts! Next thing you know, George 'doesn't know better than to ruin his own franchise' Lucas is gonna step in and try his name at software programming. We're soooo screwed.


Leeto Toodara, Gorath


Ham Lonely, another server who's name eludes me at the moment.

GamerProX
Mon Aug 18, 2003 1:05 am
#3

Where the heck is Lucus? I thought he was watching this game very carefully. To tell you the truth, I expected something more like Droid Handler, rather than creature, how many Creatures did you see in Star Wars next to Droids? Death on Droids is stupid when in a place like Star Wars you can fix them easy. I think the Devs should look hard at CH, I would enjoy seeing Droids running all over the city rather than Rancors, thats very Un-Star Wars.



I would say CH would be ten times more fun if it was used off of DE. Where everyone can use a Droid, but a Droid Handler is just better with it, like at master they get 3 Destroyer Droids if they want, or one uber droid. Kinda like the way the CH system is now. And a Droid Handler would have to go looking for junk "parts" rather than food for their droid, and a Droid Handler could "Slice" their own droid by getting add-on they loot from bodies. What they could do with Droid Handler is almost limitless, and the DE would never run out of work, would he?




Headed to World of Warcraft


HamsterPimp
Mon Aug 18, 2003 2:34 pm
#4

The Master Droid Eng needs to be our droid handler not another elite or elite-elite profession don't you think we have earned the right to use the droids we build?


Don't let them make you think that 140 skill points is not enough to spend on one class!


WE NEED combat droids that are better than the best creature out there, we also need to be able to have three or four out at a time! We need to be able to repair our droids during combat and we need salvage if our droids fall.



Metal is stronger than Meat, Meat Dies, Metal gets recycled.

Igiveu Elko
Master Artisan, Master Droid Engineer, Novice Pistoleer, Novice Medic, and Novice Creature Handler
Rori, Radiant
Another Good Friend Cancled his account today as a result of the recent nerfs and lack of respons to our request for explanations




The Master Droid Engineer Profession Needs to be fixed before any more of my friends leave the game forever!!
greenbleeder
Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:07 pm
#5

My lawnmower just stopped running!... Oh well must be permadeathed since machines made ofMETAL andELECTRONICS can never be repaired.


Maybe ill get some kind of dino pet to chomp my grass like in the Flinstones since creatures made of FLESH and BONE are indestructable after all.


COME ON THIS IS JUST STUPID!!!

Plageron
Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:26 pm
#6

First off...Pets are not immortal, they die, and there is no way to bring them back after that....they have a vitality rating..

As for droids...well i dont particularly like the fact that they die...I think personally that the invidual should be able to take the chasis back to a big craft station and be able to repair it.

Or else a droid engineer should be able to repair it.


Actually i want to know what the heck is up with Droid Repair Tools,,, they dont seam to be working....



---"Back off Man!! I'm a Scientist."----
Peter Venkman from Ghostbusters
HamsterPimp
Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:40 pm
#7

I'm sorry i have yet to have my pet get incappacited he has 8000HAM and decent resists, so while i lay there incapped he finshes up the fight then comes back to me and wants to play "awww good boy" and if you look on the datapad thier is this little thing called a vitaily pac hmmm wounder what that will do i have never tried it.


Even if it dose nothing my pet says 100/100 vitailty so if it counts down 1 for every time it should get killed that still gives you 100 more chances than the droid owner gets. My pet by the way cost me 10k becuase i bought him full grown. Probots have sold for as little as 15k even just counting the resources at a 2credit per cost it cost me 6k to build one, the creature handler just went out and tamed one stored it for a week and boom there it is full grown ready to sell.


HAVE YOU NOTICED A DIFFERENCE?


Metal is stronger than Meat, Meat Dies, Metal gets recycled.

Igiveu Elko
Master Artisan, Master Droid Engineer, Novice Pistoleer, Novice Medic, and Novice Creature Handler
Rori, Radiant
Another Good Friend Cancled his account today as a result of the recent nerfs and lack of respons to our request for explanations




The Master Droid Engineer Profession Needs to be fixed before any more of my friends leave the game forever!!
Boldor
Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:42 pm
#8

Can we trade DE devs for the CH devs? So that if we BEECH enough like the CH's did then we can get our pets only Incap again?
Plageron
Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:44 pm
#9

Oh yeah forgot to mention this little tid bit...

Every point a creature loses on its vitality, all its stats, HAMs, damage, is reduced by a percentage equal to that which is lost.

And to make matters worse, if a Vitality Pak is used to repair a creatures vitality, the maximum is lowered each time.

So eventually, the pets stay alive but have nothing left in the way of statistics.

Yeah big deal...but think about it...if something has 8000 HAMs, a 1% loss is 80 points, a 25% is 2000, a 50% is 4000.

So even though they dont die immediatly, instead a person gets to have their pet gimped to death, till they eventually decided to put them out of their misery.



---"Back off Man!! I'm a Scientist."----
Peter Venkman from Ghostbusters
HamsterPimp
Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:51 pm
#10

i feel the ch's pain but it is nothing to the pain i feel for my own profession! if your creature gets gimped go out and tame a new one big freaking deal, try running for three hours everyday chaseing resources or paying upwards of 10 cr per for them and then they all vanish if you fail during final construction!


If i sold all the resources i ground into xp i would be filthy rich!!!


Metal is stronger than Meat, Meat Dies, Metal gets recycled.

Igiveu Elko
Master Artisan, Master Droid Engineer, Novice Pistoleer, Novice Medic, and Novice Creature Handler
Rori, Radiant
Another Good Friend Cancled his account today as a result of the recent nerfs and lack of respons to our request for explanations




The Master Droid Engineer Profession Needs to be fixed before any more of my friends leave the game forever!!
Plageron
Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:02 pm
#11

So anywise, you can make a droid, just like that...
All you need are some materials from an extractor or from sampling...wow...thats hard to get....

A creature handler has to go out and find a specific creature, which is harder than sitting around in a house making a droid, yeah becasue i fhte thing is aggressive, then it might just go over and kill the creature handler for even coming close.

and if you compare to Bio-Engineering...A bio-engineer has even a worse time...since they have to get DNA, which makes things very angry, not to mention the nifty non-moving animation so that if the sampled creature moves farther than 15 meters they get nothing, but may still manage to make the creature upset.

yeah so, a droid engineer can make many droids, put them in their inventory, pull them out at full strength teach it the attack command and have an army in the pocket.

A creature handler can have Bio-Engineered stuff like that, but still have creatures at 1/20th the full power, so the 8000 HAM creature you have at baby level is only 400 HAMs, they can teach it an attack command and send it, but cant use any more creatures becasue their maximum creature amount is exceeded.

So anywise...I think perhaps if anything the Droid Engineer is pretty lucky to have what they have.



---"Back off Man!! I'm a Scientist."----
Peter Venkman from Ghostbusters
Plageron
Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:19 pm
#12

Actually I have to pay more in resource stuff then any droid engineer, becasue I am a Bio-Engineer oh and a Creature Handler....who also buys Droids and Weapons and runs a shop.

I not only need the resources but also the creature components.

I have to go out, check my extractors like every other crafting proffession, but also go out and attack things for meat, and also try to get DNA from things that dont like to sit around and dont like to sampled.

I get attacked more than sin..thanks to the nice new Scent mask fix, yeah now creatures teleport on top of you and attack when they notice you, which is a flat 10% per 5 seconds...and the funny thing is that I have 10 lower than a master scout.

So anywise...the Vitality paks, which are oh soo great...wont have many makers out there becasue the materials are hard to get, and becasue we cannot put them in a factory, not to mention it takes on average 5 minutes to make one....yeah the nice waithing 55 seconds per component plus the item is great....I like the nice 48% failure too...and we get a nice whopping 5 whole experimental points....

So most people wont get the vitality paks from a bio-enginner, and will have to live with a gimped creature.

if they want a new one, they will have to go out and get one...
yeah the Rancor which is brought up oh so many times is a great one to get...its red and aggressive,,,so you have to use scent mask, and while you tame it, which takes 60 seconds per attempt, the other creatures might notice you ruining the tame...or you migth fail..making the creature attack you...oh yeah only a Master can get it now.

As for your 8000 HAM creature, most likely a sludge Panther, they too dont like being tamed, and now with the great new addition of 50% less baby creature found...wow..I bet you are going to go right out there and get another one immediately.

So yeah...spending what...oh no about 10,000 credits a day on extractors and a house....woo hoo..

gee I wish thats all i had to do....

The only good thing, is that a Bio_enginner has Medic skills, so i can at least heal myself some...and alot of other people as well.

Anywise...I am lucky becasue I have a surgical droid with a Food/chem crafting station in it....

And at least that is something that has not been nerfed yet.

But becasue of the usefulness of it, I suspect that it will probebly get a nerf....

Maybe I will make some cloth to raise people's business acumen and give it to the devs in exchange for them making:

A Self Repair Module for droids(gives the droid regenration and a Vitality rating)

and a weapon mount module.

Oh and a cute cat girl chasis....that would be cool



---"Back off Man!! I'm a Scientist."----
Peter Venkman from Ghostbusters
SpootyG
Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:27 pm
#13

This shouldnt upset DEs at all...a droidshould be able to "die" 3 times before it gets deleted instead of once. BESIDES, good pets are harder to get...ya, like im gonna spend a ton of cash on a graul then have it die and be gone?! NO WAY!!! i like that pile o scraps idea tho...
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