Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: A Nerf is a Nerf Is a Nerf
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Sinnare
Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:54 am
#1
The bottom line is the droid invasion is a nerf to the poorest, most unused prof in the game.
If not for the holo grinders and the rare remaining regulars noone would play the prof.
Cudos Thunder your love patch is a nerf to all these great folks you claimed to represent.
I guess the blessing in the whole thing is that those of us that cancelled our accounts back after the first total botch by you, are a few months ahead of the others.
Best of luck to you all and im really very sorry for you all that put your trust in those who said just wait we wont let you down.
I would say its a sorry day for de but everyday is a sorry day for de since beta.
KruppeRift
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:00 am
#2
well Im a relatively new MDE (5 weeks and counting)...
I agree that this patch is very disapointing for those of us who wanted interesting combat droids.... (Why we cant have a droidekka chasis I don't know - the model is already in the game...!!! all they need to do is add the damn schematic...)
I'll be waiting until publish 8 to see what they come up with there, but if it isnt a significant improvement (to combat droids as well as utility droids) I'll be dropping DE alltogether (NO i'm not a holo DE)
I took up DE as I wanted to try a crafting profession, and my PA only had 1 DE
I agree that this patch is very disapointing for those of us who wanted interesting combat droids.... (Why we cant have a droidekka chasis I don't know - the model is already in the game...!!! all they need to do is add the damn schematic...)
I'll be waiting until publish 8 to see what they come up with there, but if it isnt a significant improvement (to combat droids as well as utility droids) I'll be dropping DE alltogether (NO i'm not a holo DE)
I took up DE as I wanted to try a crafting profession, and my PA only had 1 DE
Neroir
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:16 am
#3
"I'll be waiting until publish 8 to see what they come up with there, but if it isnt a significant improvement (to combat droids as well as utility droids) I'll be dropping DE alltogether (NO i'm not a holo DE)"
You know there are nothing related to combat droids in Publish 8, dont you?
Just a couple of new utility modules
Ellesa
You know there are nothing related to combat droids in Publish 8, dont you?
Just a couple of new utility modules
Ellesa
ResourceMonkey
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:19 am
#4
The reason they didn't include new droids - such as the Droidika, is that they do not currently have a system in place that will keep powerful combat droids 'in balance' with the game. Imagine if you could just purchase an AT-ST from MDE's.
They COULD put in the Droidika's and other new droid animations, however, they would only be as powerful as level 10 pets, and THAT would get people more upset than not putting them in at all.
I don't see this as a Nerf, but rather what they can give us at this time with the development resources and coding they currently have in place.
Arnwald
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:37 am
#5
Thenew combat droids could be good if they kept the 40% AR2 armor.
Don't make me wrong this wouldn't even be a DROID (player) INVASION and the duck taped R2 **edit**
The thing is players need tanking droids.
Damage dealers droids eats the combat XP.
The only players interested in damage dealers droids are caped on combat XP and don't have any use of a weak CL 10 pet
JodoKai
Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:06 am
#6
For awhile I was really bummed about this patch, but I'm starting to geta littleoptimistic about the next one. So we didn't get the combat droids, we can let CH's and BE's have that part of the market, but let's do everything we can to make sure we get some serious utility in Publish 8. The list they have is just a starting point, a weak one at best, but just a start. Maybe we can convince the Dev's to get us something useful. That's my hope anyway.
There are a couple of good things coming from this patch: After this people will be able to call their pets AND a droid, so why not get a droid too? It's not hurting you. Get a probot with medical and you can have your pet tank a little extra fire power with the probot and can heal damage after the fight is over. Also I'm not sure if it's this patch or the next, but soon everyone will be able to store 5 droids in the data pad, if nothing else people will be buying more storage droids.
tathacuk9371
Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:27 am
#7
YeahIf patch 8 doestn bring goodies to me I am going to weaponsmith my original plan in the game but my guild needed a DE and I thought it would be fun(I was a noob6 months ago and just mastered a week or two ago.)
JemmHadar
Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:18 am
#8
Sinnare wrote:
The bottom line is the droid invasion is a nerf to the poorest, most unused prof in the game.
If not for the holo grinders and the rare remaining regulars noone would play the prof.
Cudos Thunder your love patch is a nerf to all these great folks you claimed to represent.
I guess the blessing in the whole thing is that those of us that cancelled our accounts back after the first total botch by you, are a few months ahead of the others.
Best of luck to you all and im really very sorry for you all that put your trust in those who said just wait we wont let you down.
I would say its a sorry day for de but everyday is a sorry day for de since beta.
I beg to differ. DE is not the poorest, most unused profession in the game. The holder of that trophy is the Image Designer profession.
But, I will say, as DE, we should have a larger role in this game, as Droids are as much a part of the Star Wars universe as Leia, Solo, Vader and the Jedi are.
I, for one, am waiting on WoW. I will be cancelling one of my 2 accounts here, and eventually leaving it completely. I was really hoping DE would be a big part of this game for me. Oh well.
JodoKai
Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:58 am
#9
I have to beg to differ again: The most useless profession has to be Squad Leader. Don't believe me, try it some time.
phamcar
Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:32 am
#10
Well, we are not far off from Squad Leader then. The only reason I still have DE, is becaue no one else in my guild wants to 
Zocima
Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:24 pm
#11
JodoKai, you must be smoking something. I have a guild-mate who is a Squad Leader.
It's the bomb, yo. He heads up all of our groups, and is an invaluable addition
every time we are hunting.
The ability to remove the entire group's status effects with one ability is enough
right there.
Not to mention the terrain negotiation bonus for the group, the defense bonuses,
the accuracy bonuses.
Damn, what ISN'T good about SL?
It's the bomb, yo. He heads up all of our groups, and is an invaluable addition
every time we are hunting.
The ability to remove the entire group's status effects with one ability is enough
right there.
Not to mention the terrain negotiation bonus for the group, the defense bonuses,
the accuracy bonuses.
Damn, what ISN'T good about SL?
gametruth
Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:11 pm
#12
hey chummers,
Sinnare hit the nail on the head!!!! Call a nerf a nerf - and this is a nerf to DE's everywhere. DE was already very broken before this patch - but now it is truly laughable. Other that silly hologrinders and flocks of idiots that have never seen a star wars movie - NO ONE WANTS COMBAT R UNITS!!!!! In fact i get laughed at constantly when i tell prospective customers that the R3 is the best combat droid in the game. 90% of buyers upon finding this out reply with "thanks but i'll pass, lol sorry to see SOE screwed you guys again" Now, even with the horrible armor nerf - SOE could have easily made Probots the strongest combat droid in the game and kept R3 units as utility droids. But no, laziness and poor design implemented IMHO the worst thing to ever happen to this game. Also the switch between general clusters and combat clusters - screwed anyone who had stockpiled them - now my crates of 100% medical module, 100% item storage, food crafting station - general clusters are virtually worthless - since i cannot put them in R3's (the droid everyone wants them in) Thanks SOE - i wanted to have to find all those resources and spend all that factory time again, really i did 
Dumber still i can put 2 combat modules in a protocol droid Hehe, in fact the only good thing to come of this patch is that now my guild has our own Battlebots league, where we fight silly combat droids against other silly combat droids.
Dumber still i can put 2 combat modules in a protocol droid Hehe, in fact the only good thing to come of this patch is that now my guild has our own Battlebots league, where we fight silly combat droids against other silly combat droids.What's worse is even prepatch it was nigh impossible for begining DE's to sell anything other than droid storage compartments to anyone (afterall no one wants a droid that stores 1 tem and has a med rating of 55) After this latest patch i decided to try a new crafting proffesion (btw, i LOVE DROIDS - the entire reason i bought this game was to be a DE - only to find out how sucky that really was ) so at the advice of one of my guild mates, i began novice architect. Might i say WOW, not only did i level faster, but everyone wanted to but my products even before i made my first level. In fact not only did people want what i was selling, but i made more off a few novice architect products, than i did a larger selection of MDE products. If that is not the number 1 sign DE is a truly broken proffesion, i don't know what is.
) so at the advice of one of my guild mates, i began novice architect. Might i say WOW, not only did i level faster, but everyone wanted to but my products even before i made my first level. In fact not only did people want what i was selling, but i made more off a few novice architect products, than i did a larger selection of MDE products. If that is not the number 1 sign DE is a truly broken proffesion, i don't know what is.Next, the new repair / reconstruction kits are totally bogus. First they all have a 15 sec timer on them, which even a MDE cannot shorten They also require so many RARE resources that no DE's will be crafting anything better than a B grade kit ever. It is not worth it - even for personal use. Also for those of us that mass produce crates of components and other products, the new kits and modules make the factory time required for this nearly insufferable This brings me to issues of price - due to the sheer number of required factory components an R3 will never sell for less than 30 - 35k (with even halfway decent combat modules add 10 -20 k to that number) yet a Probot (that is nearly as good as an R3) can sell for half as much. Thanks DEV's the economy wasn't screwed enough as it was
They also require so many RARE resources that no DE's will be crafting anything better than a B grade kit ever. It is not worth it - even for personal use. Also for those of us that mass produce crates of components and other products, the new kits and modules make the factory time required for this nearly insufferable This brings me to issues of price - due to the sheer number of required factory components an R3 will never sell for less than 30 - 35k (with even halfway decent combat modules add 10 -20 k to that number) yet a Probot (that is nearly as good as an R3) can sell for half as much. Thanks DEV's the economy wasn't screwed enough as it was New Chasis - now i knew droideka's were more than likely never going to be a reality (i've been to the DE cave on Lok and know first hand how nasty they are) but does anyone remember IG-88 the assasin droid / bounty hunter hired by Vader to find Han Solo in Ep. 5 (he is in the same line as Bossk the trandoshan and Boba Fett) why not at least that frame - you could have made it similliar to the R3 as far as crafting and resources were concerned and left it a CL10 so you did not upset game balance. At least then we might have been able to sell some of our droids.
Now, i learned last night there is a new bug with personality chips in droids that did not exist before pub 7. DOH, haven't tried em yet myself (doing so tonite) but if it is true, then DE is truly dead and needs a complete revamp or simple removal from the game
Of course i'll keep posting and being ignored, but hey i'm used to it. Also unlike others i will keep playing this game - cause hey it's star wars and i am a true hardcore star wars nut But damn SOE, instead of listening to DEV's maybe you should try and listen to players. Then maybe this game might be fun for every proffesion.
But damn SOE, instead of listening to DEV's maybe you should try and listen to players. Then maybe this game might be fun for every proffesion.BTW, I have spoke in Master Image Designers - they make more more creds than DE's do hands down. So i'd have to say they are not as broken as DE's (silly and out of place in the game, sure - but not as broken) As for Squad Leader, hehe, go hunt in a group of 20 without one - then tell me they are a useless profession. (stupid hologrinders - oh wait i was wrong HOLO's were the worst thing SOE did to this game)
Well i've ranted enough, hopefulle someone is listening - BTW i have been a playtester and game designer myself for years (Virtually every popular pen and paper RPG or Strategy Minature game I have been a part of either developement or playtesting - till Wizards of the Coast bought the rights to everything and i got out of that market entirely) so if you need GOOD ADVICE that will keep balance in the game and make players happy let me know. I am more than happy to work with liasons, players or developers to make this game a great expierence for everyone - like it should be
Khadim - Officially Disgruntled Master Droid Engineer - Sunrunner
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