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Thread: Upcoming publish 20, will it hurt DE's?

RHYN0X
Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:22 pm
#1


With the proposed publish 20, BH missions will only pay out avg 50k.... now tell me, will a BH go and buy and ADV R3 bomb droid to aid in one these, no, the cost won't be worth it anymore, one of our only means of making money will take a HUGE hit.

Not 100% sure how this can be adressed, but how about keep BH mission payout's 100k ish?

Make the cost of making Bomb droids (good ones anyway) alot lower.

Your thoughts?

Message Edited by RHYN0X on 07-11-2005 08:23 PM



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Drashk
Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:29 pm
#2






RHYN0X wrote:


With the proposed publish 20, BH missions will only pay out avg 50k.... now tell me, will a BH go and buy and ADV R3 bomb droid to aid in one these, no, the cost won't be worth it anymore, one of our only means of making money will take a HUGE hit.

Not 100% sure how this can be adressed, but how about keep BH mission payout's 100k ish?

Make the cost of making Bomb droids (good ones anyway) alot lower.

Your thoughts?




The pay out only lists as 44k+. The mission still pays out what it currently does on Live. The reason the missions are listed as 44k+ is so that a BH can't tell what they are hunting by the price tag.


The only thing that has really changed is that the BH will actually need to do a bit of 'hunting' now.







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darkmane
Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:30 pm
#3

Actually the base will be 50k, with bonuses for difficulty and time on the terms, so I'm betting the mission payouts will stay about the same (110-220k). It all depends on the size of the bonuses.
RasalTheWise
Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:34 pm
#4

Oops, nevermind. It's all been said above.

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RHYN0X
Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:12 pm
#5

Awsome, thanks guys, guess I missread the publish notes... w00t, DE for life!



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Straker_Atrella
Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:14 pm
#6

In the end though, we can probably expect a drop in business, with missions being moved to Master BH, that means less dabblers, then you need to figure that it will be more likely the quarry people are tracking is a FUll template Jedi and not a baby one, this will discourage all but the hardcore.


I expect a drop in sales.



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Red-Dwarf
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:01 am
#7

There's a fair chance of getting an increase in Arakyd sales, after all many hunts will go like this:


Get mission for XX Jedi (XX being rebel, imperial, neutral)


Get Bio-sig


Launch Arakyd


Get report: Jedi on Kashyyyk


Abort mission


Rinse and repeat!

The nasty infinite seeker bug won't matter as you never need to launch one!


At least till they get seekers working on Kash, since without a jedi name you have virtually zero chance of actually finding the mark without the seeker.




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Straker_Atrella
Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:59 am
#8

The thing is that any increased sales we would see from Jedi being on Kash is already there. Right now it goes like this.



  1. Search the terminals for the payout in the range you want.

  2. Use your friends list to verify if your Mark is online.

  3. Visit Spynet Op.

  4. Launch Probe. If they are on Kash, either go looking or return to #1.

  5. Use Seekers to find your mark.

  6. Fight your mark, since you knew the level of the Jedi, you get the fight you expected.

After publish 20, it will change to this.



  1. Search the terminals for a Jedi not of your faction. Only online Jedi are shown.

  2. Visit spynet OP.

  3. Launch Probe, if they are on Kash, you don't have a name, so you can't go looking. So return to #1.

  4. Use Seekers to find your mark.

  5. Fight your mark, quite often, this may be a fully templated Jedi and you will die fighting him solo.

Now on the surface, the fact that you can't hunt for your Mark name wise on Kash may make it look like people going back to step #1 will lead to more probes sold. It may, but this is countered by two other facts.



  1. Only Master Bounty Hunters can hunt Jedi now, not people with just 3000 BH. This leads to less template diversity and less hunters overall.

  2. Since many Jedi "leveling" will be on Kash and safe, most Jedi who are huntable will be full templates. These are very hard marks and are less likely to lead to a payoff. Less payoffs mean BH's will be less likely to pay out money for Probes, Seekers, and Bomb droids if they don't think there is a decent chance to get that money back.

For the record, I am 100% for the terminal changes, except there needs to be a way to hunt on Kash. I am against the move of Jedi missions to MBH, simply because with the terminal changes, it is not needed.




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Akkori
Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:45 pm
#9

I agree, moving jedi to MBH is overkill. We need MORE people hunting jedi, not fewer. If the payout increases, it might be worth it for people to get MBH. I would think that to balance all the new uncertainty in the system, BH should be better rewarded for their time. And there still needs to be a way fro BH to group up on missions. If jedi are supposed to be half again as powerful as a full combat template, then full-template jedi will never be fought, since you will likely never, ever win. Free ride for templated jedi I guess. Bring on the horde of wannabees! hehehhe



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RebRifle
Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:34 am
#10






Drashk wrote:






RHYN0X wrote:


With the proposed publish 20, BH missions will only pay out avg 50k.... now tell me, will a BH go and buy and ADV R3 bomb droid to aid in one these, no, the cost won't be worth it anymore, one of our only means of making money will take a HUGE hit.

Not 100% sure how this can be adressed, but how about keep BH mission payout's 100k ish?

Make the cost of making Bomb droids (good ones anyway) alot lower.

Your thoughts?




The pay out only lists as 44k+. The mission still pays out what it currently does on Live. The reason the missions are listed as 44k+ is so that a BH can't tell what they are hunting by the price tag.


The only thing that has really changed is that the BH will actually need to do a bit of 'hunting' now.








Actually its not hunting now its just going to wp's. I had great intel on most jedi on my servers were they like to hunt etc.. I even knew were they were on the wookie planet before i came there. Now all this is useless.
Jonthalas
Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:33 pm
#11

I think what is going to hurt DE business from Publish 20 is the Jedi visibility changes, which will result in more Jedi being able to hide and reduce their visibility.


I think that Jedi will be VERY smart to group hunt in such a manner that they will appear less on the terminals, which will frustrate the BHs, which will lower our BH droid sales.


I do hear that BHs may be able to hunt smugglers in the future, so stay tuned true believers....



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ThargarOtherland
Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:47 am
#12


I don't believe it will hurt sells in the least, Although only MBH will be able to hunt jedi and everyone assumes that all the jedi will be full templete, that will not be the case. How many time have you seen a new jedi showing of his or her stuff on mos eisley to there friends. I see it all the time. I am a DE and a BH (although not a MBH - which now I will get) and i am not worried about it. Also, people think that with the pay outs changing and not being able to see how much the bonus, if any, is, will an incentive to not take a mission, I take the missions because that is what I like to do, the money is just a perk. Also, people, remember, that 44k for and hour of work is a lot of money.


Also, even if there is a decrease in the sales of seekers and probes, there may be a sell in combat droids. BHs may start using them to help take down the mark. All of the current BHs I know don't use droids, they all go solo, this may change when they realize that they will need help. Heck, I normally send my Probot or R4 into attack the target and sit back and watch if I don't have to help. More like entertainment for me that way.




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Straker_Atrella
Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:23 am
#13






ThargarOtherland wrote:


I don't believe it will hurt sells in the least, Although only MBH will be able to hunt jedi and everyone assumes that all the jedi will be full templete, that will not be the case. How many time have you seen a new jedi showing of his or her stuff on mos eisley to there friends. I see it all the time. I am a DE and a BH (although not a MBH - which now I will get) and i am not worried about it. Also, people think that with the pay outs changing and not being able to see how much the bonus, if any, is, will an incentive to not take a mission, I take the missions because that is what I like to do, the money is just a perk. Also, people, remember, that 44k for and hour of work is a lot of money.


Also, even if there is a decrease in the sales of seekers and probes, there may be a sell in combat droids. BHs may start using them to help take down the mark. All of the current BHs I know don't use droids, they all go solo, this may change when they realize that they will need help. Heck, I normally send my Probot or R4 into attack the target and sit back and watch if I don't have to help. More like entertainment for me that way.







Here is the problem. All of those Jedi that you see showing off at the Starports are either full templated Jedi or ones that are on the boards anyway. With the new system, group members will not generate visibility, meaning people who are carefull can hunt in a group, and never get on the boards. This means that there will be far less Jedi on the boards with incomplete templates.


44k for an hour of work is a lot of money? I seriously hope that you are kidding. Running regular missions or quests totally solo, I can make well over 100k an hour, give me a few group members and I can easily make close to 200k+ an hour. Then you need to figure that I can loot an CA or AA that will sell for 50 million or more even.


44k an hour is chump change by todays economical standards. People who chase those low level missions were not doing it for an easy 30 or 40k, they ere doing it because the prey was easy.





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