Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: DE's I need two things from you please
1) What's not to agree with about Sintrosi's "plan" its 100% accurate compiled from the cumulative input of countless DEs. You need to listen to her please.!
2) Underwhelmed! Some interesting ideas, but thefeeling I walk away with is..
A power droid that powers the harvestors but runs out of juice like every other droid in 20 mins.... the point of it having it's own power core is...??
An exploding MSE....well yes after making over 1K of the vermin, sure I'd like to blow some up, but I hardly think the resulting 30 seconds of amusement will keep me or anyone else interested in SWG beyond the 1st of 2nd Ka-boom.
Combat modules for existing droid chassis...umm ok the BLL looks like a mini AT-ST .. I could see it holding some decent weapons...but for every other chassis..all I can think is...Dayam... I'ma gunna be a redneck duct-tapin CDEFs to ma R2s.
Surgical droids healing players...great for pve...but in pvp (I don't pvp) that droid is deadmeat in 1 hit, its awell publicised strategy by the PVP types that they go after Medics first, those 45 HAMs will last ...Poof..that long.
Combat droids only Masters or high lvl DEscan use... Yes in favor of that Droidekas for Masters, BUT my customers Want new combat droids They can use too, its a long list, satisfying them, satisfies a lot more of YOUR customers than just the few DEs that remain.
Calling more than one droid at a time....that idea is Long overdue, we are Masters of our craft, surely we can manage to control more than one droid at a time.
Additional note TH..as to why so much hostility towards your requesting more info....in a forum like...well This one..in a time long long ago.. 2 months ...After a tremendous outcry on the general boards..a Red name appeared...unlike any other name...it was the ONLY Red name to appear on our boards since release. It came and we the masses were happy, then it spoke..."um so you guys want what"? That being after several weekly lists from our correspondant had been duely turned in as requested plus a long centralized lists of DE issues with our profession, plus lists of recommended fixes and improvements.
The information had been supplied to Devs again and again, and still they came to ask us what we wanted, then disappeared again providing no answers or fixes. Now you come (we hope in good faith) with what appears to be the same tactics, asking for more and more info to keep us "discussing" amongst ourselves what has Been discussed And presented time and time again. I'd Scream Stall Tactic too if I didn't have hope that being newish, your just not familiar with DE pain and suffering. I really hope its not a case of being indoctrinated by the dirty tricks dept. to stall us again which hasbeen the tactic of choice in all our previousdealings with Red names 4 months and counting.
Droidekas forMasters, Roger Rogers& SuperTroopers for the Masses, a nice quiet hovel for thoseDEs who don't want to use their Droidekas.
1) I agree entiely with Sintrosi.
2) I agree with modifying the surgical droid to make it more useful. I disagree with the use of MSE droid bombs; a 45 ham MSE has little chance of success, it will end up being a waste of time. I disagree with turning DEs into a combat class. Its a crafting class, we want to make and sell USEFUL droids, not things like binary load lifters that have no real use other than "cool", cool doesn't sell droids. And for pete's sake, give us our probot back.SOE nerfed it so that lesser skilled folks could not own a kick-butt pet, then they turn around in the next few weeks, and allow CHs to sell pets to everyone that were stronger than any probot ever was. BOGGLE. I think Holocron owes us a public apology for that fiasco alone.
In response to "Daker"...
CHs can tame pets that only CHs can use.Doctors can make stems that only Doctors can use. Furthermore Large number and large size droids were controled by engineers on a master control ship by the trade federation. The other engineer classes arent making items that need control and it does take a humanoid brain to give a droid the target and tell it to attack.
Yes DEs should get a big nasty mean droid that only DEs can use.
And number one...
(1) We are ENGINEERS for heaven's sake!!! When was the last time you saw an engineer in a camo labcoat beating the hell out of someone?
I think Dilbert killed someone with an ear of corn once. He wasn't wearing a lab coat though...
We have answered these questions OVER AND OVER!
What do we get, MORE FREAKIN QUESTIONS BY SOE ON WHAT WE THINK!
WELL NO **edit** THIS IS IT! I AM DONE AFTER THIS MONTH AND WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER SOE GAME IF YOU DON'T GIVE US A TIME FRAME!
Sintrosi has given you the state of our profession. If you cannot read this and get A FRUSCKIN CLUE THEN WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF WE RESPOND ANYMORE?
SOE - KEEPS TRYING TO MAKE MONEY SINKS, YOU'VE GOT ONE IT'S CALLED STAR WARS GALAXIES!
One more thing.....
Binary Load Lifters, what are they good for? How about lifting things! When Player cities are introduced my PA hall will move to a well, organized and planned city. But the thought of clearing out my inventory, having 2-3 people pick up every item in the Hall, and put it all backmakes me want to leave it where it is and just forget about cities.
Well this amazing droid could say, re-deed a struture, follow you to the new sput and whala, your done!
Of course there is more. While the deed is in the droid, it can't be stored, so your friends better protect it with all their lives, because if it gets taken out, bye-bye hall 
So, just another idea 
Sintrosi wrote:
Link to the DE Plan concern thread that I put up the night of the plan. It is six pages deep and it would be a shame if people had to post over again ...
Yup...Exactly the info he wants, compiled by none other than the corrispondent he is working so closely with.
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CHs can tame pets that only CHs can use.
Creatures are stupid and need someone to tell them what to do or they will run wild. They can't talk or think other than "hungry" or "play." Droids have AI. They can carry on conversations and carry out complex tasks with little direction. See the difference?
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Doctors can make stems that only Doctors can use.
Stims are inanimate objects that are used by the doctor to heal. They can not think or act on their own volition. The stims don't heal, the doctors do using their skills and thestims. Droids can think and act with very little supervision. They are totally different.
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Furthermore Large number and large size droids were controled by engineers on a master control ship by the trade federation. The other engineer classes arent making items that need control and it does take a humanoid brain to give a droid the target and tell it to attack.
The need for a "humanoid brain" does not = need for an engineer.If the droids were eachindividually run by remote controls, that is one thing. A remote commander who tells 10,000 battledroids to "attack" is not exhibiting expertise. Droids need commands, not expertise. The master ship stopped telling the droids what to do, so they stopped functioning. The premise that you have to have expertise to give a droid simple commands is non-sensical.
Sintrosi's State of The Profession (Oct/29)= spot-on accurate. She clearly feels our pain and expresses it beautifully.
SOE DE Plan = I saw some stuff in there that looked ok. Didn't like the combat module thing, did like the power droid idea. I also like the suggestion another DE made about CH pets sometimes eating their owners.
HOWEVER... The point here is that we DEs are still paying $15 per month for an unfinished product. About half a day of playtesting in betaDE would have spotted the same glaring bugs that have not been fixed.
So, with respect, please fix the bugsyou should have fixed before releasing the product,and lets worry about MSE bombs some other time.
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I think the Novice of any Elite profession would be a good place to put a +1 utility droid. Novice Combat professions get a +1 combat droid. Novice Doctor and Combat Medic get +1 medical droid. Hybrid Professions (Bounty Hunter, Commando, Smuggler) get +1 combat droid. Why scouts don't get +1 any droid: 1) you don't need them to do your job. 2) you probably have a combat profession anyway.
This is an outstanding, incredible, wonderful, and perfect idea...
Classify droids into types...give elite/hybrid professions certifications for them. Simple, makes sense, and increases the Star Warsy of the game by encouraging players to use droid types related to their profession (even if droid modules currently allow all droids to do the basic same thing).
If you wanted a pure yes/no answer based on what we've seen..
1) Yes
2) No
There made a choice, but my other post provided feedback without being so yes or no cut and dried.. and to counter the spammers and trolls here..
YES let DE's make and USE.... COMBAT Droids....there I said 'it' and now their eyes are bleeding again..
1). I agree 100% with the state of our profession
2). The current DE plan is not anything like I was expecting. DE's only being able to use our future premium battle droids ? That stinks, I am an artisan and really don't have any combat delusions of granduer.
I, like SInstrosi really would like to see new combat droids. A selection to choose from to make us a little more fun to play and give us a reason to log on to make more.
However, that being said, I would personally rather see our Probots brought back to their former semi-glory and have all our bugs and exploits fixed first. As MDE I have no reason to make lvl 6 modules when I can plunk two level 4's instead without using that precious rare resource. My data module servesNO purpose, or storage module is laughable (10 items at lvl 6?), and we can't heal our droids in combat. No one wants a droid unless they need a portable craft station....really the only reason to have one over a non-CH pet.
Thunderheart, here are my opinions. I'm a DE on Shadowfire.
1) Sintrosi's State of the DE profession is pretty close to the mark. I support it.
2) I do not like part of the rough plan. I, like others, do not feel that simply slapping some combat modules in the existing droids would be a mistake. We need a few more 'proper' droids. Or, perhaps, take the DZ70, which is advertised as a combat model, and make it a combat model. Just a thought.
3) Before significant new content is added for DE, some time and effort should be put into fixing the existing content. By this, I mean, don't delay fixing the existing bugs to give us new droids. Fix the bugs first (at least some of them) then phase in the new content.
Ideally this should occur at the same time, bug fixes while new content is developed.
Thank You
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