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Thread: Question about survey droids...
Malitevv wrote:
is a high price but the raw resource required to make them are worth at least that much.on top of that, the 3:1 ratio of EGPM to EMM components required makes these thingssomewhat frustrating to make in a factory run. doing a factory run of these things consumes a lot of factory time, time that is far better spent making advanced droid brains or advanced R3 chassis'.
that's the bottom line. the time and resources required to make these things is expensive. it is worth 2k per charge tome. If they going rate on the droids is less than that then I simply won't make them because it isn't worthmy time/money.
See this comment is really part of why I have the attitude that I have and why I'm being accused of having an ego here...
I fully understand your reasons for it, but when I hear this over and over the first reaction that comes to me is amazement that you consider these as "difficult" to make. I also have to ask myself, does this person have the slightest clue what the rest of the crafting world is like? You very well may, but comments like this do NOT show that.
For starters, and i'll say this again, I used what I consider to be low-quality grinding resources on my run and I still ended up with 12 uses which is all I cared about...speed is a moot point for me because if you have to wait, a 20min difference is of little concern. So aside from the vertex, which is widely available on MY server, the resource load on these is minor. Hardly considered expensive. I'm not speculating, I'm stating I made 12 usage stacks with low quality resources...fact! believe it or don't, your choice
Secondly, do you HONESTLY believe thata 3:1 subcomponent ratio is unusual??? If this is unusual for DEs than all I can say is you have had it too good for too long. 3:1 ratios is the norm for armor and weapons. You know all that 80% compo everyone loves so much and that high end stun armor snake was griping about? Those take 3 stun layers for every segment, and 4 segments for a single chest pieces...so that one piece of armor has a 12:1 ratio, and that's not counting the tailor made rfp and cloth needed on top of that. Plus any smith worth his/her weight in gold will make segs 1000 at a time which means we must first run 3000 layers in advance.
Weaponsmiths are no different. A great many weapons require 3, 4, 5 power handlers from factory crates...T21s require 10!!!, on top of at least 2-3 othersub-coms that must also be run on a factory to save time.
So what you perceive as arrogance on my part is a result of what I perceive as inexperience on yours. I don't expect to find sympathy since this thread got hijacked in the DE forums, but if you guys are going to complain about the time investment of these items, consider who you're asking for sympathy from. 2mil suits of armor are the exception, not the norm. I get yelled at for charging 25k for a high-end weapon that requires TOP QUALITY resources, more subcomponents than your survey droids...and take 5x the amount of factory time to make...yet you want to charge me the 24k for a 12 usage survey droid?
It's not that I think DEs are scum, it's just that the more I talk to them it becomes more obvious that you have no basis for comparison on your products. I would LOVE to have only a 3:1 sub-com ratio on my products and I would LOVE it if I could simply use low quality resources to crank out usage on my products...alas it simply can't be done.
So before you start touting the difficulty of these droids and the expense involved, I go back to reminding you that I made a run of these, myself, using low resources, and only having to pay a DE to make the final schem. How difficult do you really expect people to believe they are when a master artisan can circumvent your prof for 90% of the assembly?
I just don't think you have this whole issue in perspective.
Message Edited by Vevy on 05-04-2004 03:09 PM
But for those of us who prefer quality products, 20k is a great price for a well crafted droid.
If you craft armor/weapons the same way you craft droids, then I feel sorry for your customers
Lexy wrote:
Hmm. so you're proud that you made some very low quality droids with grind resources? Yeah, no wonder you think they should only be worth 5k.
But for those of us who prefer quality products, 20k is a great price for a well crafted droid.
If you craft armor/weapons the same way you craft droids, then I feel sorry for your customers
you miss the point Lexy...there's no such thing as a high quality survey droid!! The droids perform the EXACT same function regardless. The only difference is how many uses they have and how fast it does the job. You simply can't compare that to armor when you're talking about a difference of 80% resists and 50% resists. It's not even apples and oranges, no matter how much you want it to be.