Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: A few stupid questions.
Still looking for clothes answers for sure.
I almost cried tonight when first my Adv R3 Chasis blew up on a critical, then on the remake the final droid crit failed as well. Poor customer was waiting forever. Using a good crafting station too 
Kollos wrote:
Pallida wrote:
Experiment on everything that you intend to sell
Use premium resources on everything that you intend to sell.
This is horrible advice, Pallida. There is no proof at all that using premium resources helps in any way. There is substantial evidence that it has no effect whatsoever.
Whether or not you want to believe the evidence that many people have presented, you are doing all Droid Engineers a disservice by recommending that they use expensive, premium resources to make droids when in most cases the worst crap you can find will make equally high-quality droids.
I'm fully aware of your purely semantical argument that there is no proof that premium resources have no effect. This is because you have formed your argument by requiring the rest of us to prove a negative, and doing that is virtually impossible. There is considerable evidence that we are correct, and while that is not 100% proof positive, it is far more reasonable to accept it as fact.
/sigh
Again Kollos.. I will not deny that there is ample data to support player-made conclusions... However, I cancite one statement of incontrovertible fact.. and one only... that provided the "proof" that you speak of.
Remember the post made by a Developer via ThunderHeart about experimentation and resource quality onCrafting Station Modules? Do I need to post the link to the one and only Developer statement "proving" a conclusion?
That is the only absolute proof that currently exists. Everything else is exactly as I stated earlier... simply conclusions based on Player Tests... and that is all.
Pallida, you're the only one arguing for proof. Proof that is unnecessary and, at least in the case of what you're asking everyone else to provide, nearly impossible to obtain.
Your argument, while technically valid, is meaningless.
WE DO NOT NEED PROOF OF ANYTHING.
What we need is solid evidence of some effect, and that we have. All of the evidence supports what I have been saying all along - that the quality of resources used in making most droid components is irrelevant.
There is no proof and realistically there can be no proof. All we have to make our decisions is the evidence. And that evidence says that what you're recommending people do is wrong.In terms of experimenting, I have done a number of tests where I am using factory modules (to ensure all are the same for all tests) with the exception of one, where I then swap out different versions of that one. I do one with worst resources and no experimentation, one with best resources and all greats on experimentation and one in the middle. In every test there has been no difference. There is a chance that there is a hidden stat in the final droid (making it follow faster if it has a brain with a high mechanism quality rating) but I'd be very surprised.
In terms of the new modules, it is very simple to determine: does it have a numbered rating associated with it or not?
If it does (harvesting module for example) then you need to get that rating up as high as possible with experimentation.
If it does not (merchant barking and entertainer come to mind) then it's simply a case of having the module and experimentation does nothing.
Kollos wrote:
Pallida, you're the only one arguing for proof. Proof that is unnecessary and, at least in the case of what you're asking everyone else to provide, nearly impossible to obtain.
Your argument, while technically valid, is meaningless.
WE DO NOT NEED PROOF OF ANYTHING.
What we need is solid evidence of some effect, and that we have. All of the evidence supports what I have been saying all along - that the quality of resources used in making most droid components is irrelevant.
You are recommending that people go against all of the evidence. What are you, a trial lawyer or something?
Message Edited by Pallida on 04-30-2004 12:25 PM
Pallida wrote:
As for your statement that "realistically there can be no proof", I ask you this.. "What is a Developer's statement of effect if not proof of a conclusion?" Hmmmmmm????? Certainly it is not your belief thata Developer would lie to us?
Kollos wrote:
Pallida wrote:
As for your statement that "realistically there can be no proof", I ask you this.. "What is a Developer's statement of effect if not proof of a conclusion?" Hmmmmmm????? Certainly it is not your belief thata Developer would lie to us?
A developer's statement is generally less accurate than player-performed in-game testing. They're stating their opinion of how things are supposed to work based on their knowledge of their portion of the code base. As a "highly experienced IT professional" I'm sure you are aware that no one person can possibly know every detail of a project this size.
No, I doubt that the Devs deliberately lie to us. But their statements aren't always correct, either, simply because they do not have complete and total knowledge of every aspect of the code. Do I need to quote JustG to prove my case?
/sigh
I can see that we are headed into another shouting match. However, I am not about to become involved at that level again.
Since you're obviously not going to concede my right to voice a technical opinion... so be it. You'll just have to respond to my opinions again.. and we'll have this same conversation.. again.. and again.. and again...
Until I see verbage stating that "... in our opinion, and based on player testing, it is our conclusion that...", you maybe assuredthat I'll continue to state my opinion on the subject in terms that you will not accept.I think that this is the end of this "discussion"... for now.
/bow
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That is the only absolute proof that currently exists. Everything else is exactly as I stated earlier... simply conclusions based on Player Tests... and that is all.
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Pallida wrote:
Since you're obviously not going to concede my right to voice a technical opinion... so be it. You'll just have to respond to my opinions again.. and we'll have this same conversation.. again.. and again.. and again...
Straker_Atrella wrote:
Well I don't have infinite good resources, so I have resorted to lower resources for the sub-componants. Havn't noticed a change yet.
Any comments on the clothes / food issue?
The droidsmith's tool kit is useful, but you have to remove your backpack in order to wear it, so for many DE players, it is effectively useless because we are unwilling to remove our back packs.
There are no other craftable items that I know of which can boost your DE abilities. Their are clothing attachment loot drops which you can find and attach to the sockets in your clothing. there are a number of caveats with attachments that you should research independently before you go buying them and attaching them to your clothes. Bonuses from attachments do stack, but NOT if you put them in the same piece of clothing, for example. Also, for many of the attachements, it seems that the net bonus has to beat least 10 beforethere will be any effect from having them. But I can't say that is true for all of them. It most definitely is true for the droid experimentation attachments. For every 10 points ofdroid experimentation bonus you get one extra experimentation point to use when crafting.
Well I don't have infinite good resources, so I have resorted to lower resources for the sub-componants. Havn't noticed a change yet.
Any comments on the clothes / food issue?
Kollos wrote:
Pallida wrote:
Since you're obviously not going to concede my right to voice a technical opinion... so be it. You'll just have to respond to my opinions again.. and we'll have this same conversation.. again.. and again.. and again...
You have every right to state your opinion as often and as loudly as you want. I have never contested your right ot state your opinion.
The conclusion you come to is at best misleading, however, and as long as you continue to give people bad advice based on this misleading conclusion, I will continue to correct you.
The nit that you are picking died long ago.