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Thread: DE's I need two things from you please
Thunderheart wrote:
1. I need to know if you agree or disagree with Sintrosi's Plan
2. I need to know if you agree or disagree with the rough DE plan in general
Also, please post the changes you would make to the DE plan. Thanks
1. Yes. Absolutely. Fix bugs, make droids more useful, expand the profession within reason.
2. No. Period.
My personal pet peeve is that there is no good information contained within a droid deed. I know we have a lot of problems and I, too, would very much like to see a droideka schematic make it's way into our bag of tricks. That said, the thing that I really hate is relisting all of my driods every 7th day and putting a complete description of the droid into the vendor sales pitch with explanations for the entire module outfit. That, of course, is just off the top of my head. I am very sure that you will hear much more valid change suggestions here.
Hey, you asked.
1. Sinostri was pretty accurate.
2. I strongly disagree with the majority of the plan. On the points of...
A. We don't need weapons added to existing droids, we need new combat chasis, available to everyone. A Probot with 100-150 damage is still useless as it's HAM is too low to hold anything's attention over 15 seconds.
B. Repair droids have no point, as there aren't any droids to be repaired. Either the Droid gets 1 shot(Most chasis), or it falls down so much it's not worth having out(Probot).
C. Power droids are pointless. I can make tens of thousands of units of Power with my Fusion Generator at a cost of 2000c per day, I doubt highly a Power Droid could be made in such a way to be so much cheaper that it makes Fusion unattractive without making them last 1 month each and add 10c per day to maintaince. Power's just so cheap to produce it doesn't matter. Since it doesn't save a harvester trip it's a novelty item.
It all comes down to one thing. Combat Droids. Without new Combat Droids DE is, and always will be, a useless proffession. The game centers around Combat, and if Droids aren't having an effect on Combat then they will never be anything more than Novelties.
Thunderheart wrote:1. I need to know if you agree or disagree with Sintrosi's Plan
2. I need to know if you agree or disagree with the rough DE plan in general
Also, please post the changes you would make to the DE plan.
1. If by "Sintrosi's Plan" you mean her "statement of the profession", then I agree. If you mean "the Official DE Plan" that Sintrosi posted on behalf of the Developers, then I disagree.
2. The DE Plan listed 3 items of attention. I disagree with item #1 (combat modules) and generally agree with items #2 (DEs should have more than 1 droid out at a time) and #3 (FIX repair droids).
Regarding changes I'd make, I think the DE community has done a good job overall in the "DE Plan Concern" thread, which is stickied at the top of this forum. I strongly urge to to read it. My only general comment/suggestion would be to change item #1 (combat modules) to be "new combat droid chassis". We don't want R3s wielding blasters... we want Episode I battle droids. Once these are introduced, then perhaps combat modules that enhance/modify combat behavior can be discussed.
But first and foremost, Gorantoth's "Centralized Droid Issues" thread should be promptly addressed. I'm sure the "DE Plan" design will be tweaked and refined over the coming months, but the bugs can and should be addressed immediately. Gorantoth has provided very specific information that a Developer can read and take action on right away... no design decisions in committee are required.
RealTK,
you think TH has time to spend all day reading your problems? There are other classes too? Granted you got the shaft on this, but it's easier for him to gather the inofrmation. It's unfortunate but have some faith.
Thunderheart
I know your doing your best, please keep trying.
Answers:
Yes - Sintrosi has it mostly covered to most peoples satisfaction - I dont think you can ask for more.
No - we mostly dont think the previously posted 'plan' was a plan as such, in that it was much to vague and more of a maybe than a plan. A plan will be forthcoming, I have faith in that, but what was posted as a plan just wasn't one. View CH plan and compare - they have a plan, and we don't yet.
We seem mostly to believe that Gorantoth's sticky issues list is key to our proffession's viability in game. In my humble opinion you should read Sintrosi and Gorantoth in conjunction with each other.
Please see the Concerns thread - it is a key thread
There is a distinct split of opinion as to the rights and wrongs of making DE a combat profession ala CH Master. For myself, if I make an automated machine I expect to be able to use it, at the very least to protect myself. Other opinions differ. See concerns thread. Certification in other professions skill trees seems key here.
Exploding MSE are not a serious proposal I hope.
Combat Droids are a requirement, ie new Chassis and models, meantime please un-nerf the Probot so we can at least begin to restore our market, while this planning process proceeds.
Remove restrictions on where to call Droids, it makes no sense I cant call one in my PA hall, and I should not have to have camping as a skill. Additionally we NEED to be able to call 2 droids as a minimum, urgently since we cannot repair our own droids.
I hope I have not trodden on too many peoples toes - there are greater experts than me here who have been around longer. I think I have spoken honestly though, it's the best I can do.
Thankyou for your attention
Not all oppose is using our high end combat droids.
Those who oppose it do NOT speak for everyone.
Seriously Thunder,
You must be joking,
Have you read a single thread in the de section?
Why? How? could you possibly make this post?
(sigh)
OW WELL
By the way i thought it was really crappy of soe to give the delivery of the crap you gave us to sin, what a slap in the face.
Thunderheart wrote:
1. I need to know if you agree or disagree with Sintrosi's Plan
2. I need to know if you agree or disagree with the rough DE plan in general
Also, please post the changes you would make to the DE plan. Thanks
I disagree. I don't think it's strong enough. This is Star Wars, not **edit**. Creature handlers will still FAR outstrip the capabilities of droids after this change. Why should an MDE not be able to pull out something as tough as a Rancor? In my mind, it's MORE realistic - the critters in movies TURNED ON THEIR OWNERS AND ATE THEM (ep 2). One word: Droideka.
1.) Yes, Sintrosi is right on.
2.) Only thing I really didnt like about this plan were 2 things.
a.) No talk about making new droids. I dont want Combat droid modules, I want combat droids. New ones, maybe the Imperial combat droids from Episdoe 1.
b.) I'd like clearer info on who gets to use combat droids. The proposed plan said, "ONLY DEs can use the combat modules" Does that mean only DEs get to combat droids? Why are you trying to turn us into CHs and why aren't you letting us sell these to the public. We need some income. We can't live off of surgical droids and Arakyds forever. Fix the probot and make new combat droids we can sell to everyone. This one thing alone will make this whole game more Star Warsy.
Daimatsu wrote:
RealTK,
you think TH has time to spend all day reading your problems? There are other classes too? Granted you got the shaft on this, but it's easier for him to gather the inofrmation. It's unfortunate but have some faith.
I'm pretty sure that you know not whereof you speak, friend.
All the info that's needed on this is contained in a few select threads in our profession forums.
The DE forums have been rife with constructive posts, ideas, opinions and feedback.
And...by the way, they have been here (more or less) since release...and even before. By saying "all day", you seem to act as if any of our concerns just popped up today.
Nothing has fundamentally changed since release, boss.
Again....calling it like I see it.
/bow
Respectfully,
Therearentan wrote:...C. Power droids are pointless. I can make tens of thousands of units of Power with my Fusion Generator at a cost of 2000c per day, I doubt highly a Power Droid could be made in such a way to be so much cheaper that it makes Fusion unattractive without making them last 1 month each and add 10c per day to maintaince. Power's just so cheap to produce it doesn't matter . Since it doesn't save a harvester trip it's a novelty item.
TOTAL AGREEMENT. You need to be able to hand the power droid a 100k block of radioactive and have it walk to all the harvesters on a give planet to make those things worthwhile
The game centers around Combat, and if Droids aren't having an effect on Combat then they will never be anything more than Novelties.
I'm so tired of the "kill progressively harder stuff" train that I bought SWG so I could become a crafter. This game _should_ balance crafting and combat in equal portions cuz there are a million hack and slashers out there and not having to level by killing things is a _HUGE_ selling point. Don't give DE's combat droids as "FIX" cuz all that does is make your Graul a droid in the long run. What I want to see is the logical extension of droids, reducing human labor. My Asimo get's the mail every morning and that's in the REAL WORLD!
OMG!!!! more stalling????
yes to Sintrosi's...no to your combat modules to exsisting droids...yes to beef up probot....
AND YES ADD NEW COMBAT DROID CHASSIE!