Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: So, harvesting droids are completely broken?
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Obo_alCan
Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:41 pm
#14
Shmook wrote:
Actually, I don't believe it is grouping with other players that is the problem. 2 different customers ran tests for me, one a low level scout, 1 a master ranger. I asked them to harvest by themselves, then with the droid, then with droid while grouped with the droid. I have to get the specific numbers again but they were ALWAYS getting less with the droid, regardless of being grouped or not. None of these tests were grouped with another player at all. Of course, this is all heresay until I can get the actual numbers for you but I very seriously do not believe this is just a problem of grouping with other individuals.
What were the ratings of the droids? There are instances where the droid will indeed harvest less if the droid's rating is too low.
Shmook
Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:26 pm
#15
ok, the plot thickens... my one customer, who is a CL 80 Master Ranger / Master Rifleman redid his test for me. All tests are done with a level 110 harvest droid and do not involved grouping with other players.Hunting CL 15 Mutant Womp Rats (3 different Lairs, one for each strategy) on Tat, this is what he got:
Harvest by hand = 63 units of hide, on average
Droid Harvests, but not grouped = 47 units of hide, on average
Droid Harvests, grouped with Ranger = 48 units of hide.
This seems to mirror what he got before. I've also asked another customer who is a low level scout to redo a similar test but I haven't gotten her results yet. Although FYI, both said that they were hunting alone the first time too and both said this was the type of result they saw.
Ok, so I figure case, closes, something's messed up. Well, my Ranger friend then proceeds to try again on Dant, hunting level 79 Graul Maulers. Here are the results for this one:
Harvest by hand = 463 units of hide, on average
Droid Harvests, but not grouped = 471 units of hide, on average
Droid Harvests, grouped with Ranger = 470 units of hide, on average
So, it would appear that the CL of the creature now has to be taken into account in order to understand the harvest bonus. Also, it seems critical to get the data from my low-level scout friend as this would paint a better picture on the whole CL/harvest issue, if it is indeed true. So, at first glance at this, if someone were to ask me if harvest droids are broken, I'd have to say "well, maybe, depending on your CL, the CL of the creature you are harvesting, and whether or not you are grouped with the droid, or in a group with other people, or in a group with other scouts/rangers.... 
I'm hoping someone else can post some data as well, the more the merrier!
Thanks
1StarNinja
Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:42 am
#16
Jenden wrote:
Ok, going to be passing this on, want a bit more info/confirmation first though. Anyone who has a chance to test this post your skill, the droid's skill, your harvesting results, the droid's harvesting results, whether you were grouped with other players or not, and whether the droid was grouped as well or not.
Did you need more in my post as above?
I was grouped with3 other people at the time, one was a Master Scout, other was a scout xx4x and other was one of my alts who is 0014 scout.
The 0014 Scout was the Leader of the group.
btw this was a brand new crafted R3 droid that I had made.
Message Edited by 1StarNinja on 07-18-2005 03:44 PM
Obo_alCan
Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:59 am
#17
1StarNinja wrote:I was grouped with 3 other people at the time...
I thought this is what the problem would be. Confusion on who not to be grouped with, not surprising with our various problems.
It's not the droid you don't group with, it's other players.
When you group with players, you get a harvest bonus as a result of being in the group, but the droids don't work with this group bonus. They will only work when you are not grouped with other players.
I had a Master Scout buy a 118 last week and he seemed pretty happy with it.
Jenden
Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:18 am
#18
Shmook wrote:ok, the plot thickens... my one customer, who is a CL 80 Master Ranger / Master Rifleman redid his test for me. All tests are done with a level 110 harvest droid and do not involved grouping with other players. Hunting CL 15 Mutant Womp Rats (3 different Lairs, one for each strategy) on Tat, this is what he got:Harvest by hand = 63 units of hide, on averageDroid Harvests, but not grouped = 47 units of hide, on averageDroid Harvests, grouped with Ranger = 48 units of hide.This seems to mirror what he got before. I've also asked another customer who is a low level scout to redo a similar test but I haven't gotten her results yet. Although FYI, both said that they were hunting alone the first time too and both said this was the type of result they saw.Ok, so I figure case, closes, something's messed up. Well, my Ranger friend then proceeds to try again on Dant, hunting level 79 Graul Maulers. Here are the results for this one:Harvest by hand = 463 units of hide, on averageDroid Harvests, but not grouped = 471 units of hide, on averageDroid Harvests, grouped with Ranger = 470 units of hide, on averageSo, it would appear that the CL of the creature now has to be taken into account in order to understand the harvest bonus. Also, it seems critical to get the data from my low-level scout friend as this would paint a better picture on the whole CL/harvest issue, if it is indeed true. So, at first glance at this, if someone were to ask me if harvest droids are broken, I'd have to say "well, maybe, depending on your CL, the CL of the creature you are harvesting, and whether or not you are grouped with the droid, or in a group with other people, or in a group with other scouts/rangers....I'm hoping someone else can post some data as well, the more the merrier!Thanks
I'm guessing your friend that did the second test is not a master ranger (if he is the rest of this is wrong and something is up). Right now master rangers can't get any bonus from harvesting droids (the droids work off of a formula that is the difference between the droid's skill and the owner's skill, but since master rangers have much higher skills than the droid the formula goes into the negative). So it doesn't sound like you've run into a bug perse, just a victim of poorly thought out fixes in the pas (used to work ok for master ranger before they got the extra creature harvesting bonus).
Shmook
Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:52 pm
#19
No, it was the same person, definately a Master Ranger. Are you saying, though, that Master Rangers should never, ever, see a bonus from harvest droids? That's news to me, I was unaware of that one... is that on the bug list you have going? But if that's true, why is he getting a bonus hunting the maulers then?
The fact that none of these tests were done with more than one player removes the possibility that it's the group bug. The fact that the Master Ranger got a bonus on the graul maulers but not on the mutant womp rats suggests that there is more to this than wonky harvest bonus calculations dipping into the negative due to the high creature harvesting skill of that profession.
I think the evidence is pointing to combat level playing a role, but I don't know how just yet. If it's any help to anyone else, the CL of the droid is 30. I'm hoping others post more data to help us figure out what is going on.I think this bug is being missed but is definately being felt but our Scout and Ranger clients. I, too, have always assumed that problems with the harvest droidwere because of grouping, but this evidence suggests that something else is reducing the value of this module.
CNevyn
Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:56 pm
#20
I came over from the Ranger forums to start a thread like this, as I've a nice R3 that I never use anymore. Owen will also be passing this up. I'll try to get some hard #'s tonight to include.
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