Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: DE inflation?
On Radiant I am one of the most expensive vendors listed via the bazaar across the whole server and am getting tons of sales.
Bounty Hunter Droids .. 30k+ for each 20 droid set with the rare 25 pack going for a discounted price of 600k (sold one within a week of placing it on the vendor). 5 and 10 packs going for 150k and 300k respectively.
Astromech Droids and Computers .. From 11k for Level 1 to 20k for Level 6 (Level 4s are selling out within a week - 4 computers and 4 droids each time). Using the R5 Advanced and throwing in a storage module so it at least has some use outside of space.
Single Crafting MSE Droids from 5k to 20k depending on crafting module. Using Advanced model and adding a storage module.
MSE Detonation Droids 10k+ each depending on power output. Already had a pre-order for a 25 or so 55+ power droids with a value of at least 750k.
Admittedly tool sales are down but will check that in the next week or so. Maybe just a lull while the droids were having problems after all you don't need tools for bounty hunter droids.
Needless to say I seem to be spending most of my time on this account just stock taking .. but hey .. its what I love about this game.
Message Edited by Xrystal on 08-18-2005 08:48 PM
Thats a tough one for me. A full run of Seekers can be made for 2cpu at worst if I buy the resourcesor less If I mine my own. If I sold them at 25k per crate of 5 I would be charging 50cpu. I just can't do that.
Hartigan wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
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Lycids wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
It's more like Droids are catching up to everything else. Go to your trade forums and see the amounts of cash people are throwing around. It's about time.
Exactly. If people are selling loot for millions, then give me my 25k for a crate with 5 BH droids in it. Well worth every credit.
Vorvee wrote:
Thats a tough one for me. A full run of Seekers can be made for 2cpu at worst if I buy the resourcesor less If I mine my own. If I sold them at 25k per crate of 5 I would be charging 50cpu. I just can't do that.
Hartigan wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
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Lycids wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
It's more like Droids are catching up to everything else. Go to your trade forums and see the amounts of cash people are throwing around. It's about time.
Exactly. If people are selling loot for millions, then give me my 25k for a crate with 5 BH droids in it. Well worth every credit.
Why does armor sell for 20-500k per piece? Thats 9 pieces per set. Why do weapons cost 5-500k each? Why does some clothing go for 1-100k per piece? DEs have been selling themselves short. You can't go by cpu. You can start with that but it won't work for the money availible in game. I have been raising my prices constantly over the past few months. Even SOE says there is too much money in the game and have been trying to cut the influx of new money out, but when people have 100's of millions it takes awhile.
Thats a tough one for me. A full run of Seekers can be made for 2cpu at worst if I buy the resourcesor less If I mine my own. If I sold them at 25k per crate of 5 I would be charging 50cpu. I just can't do that.
But how much will the BH who uses them make? At 25k for 5 seekers, with 5 uses a piece, that's only 1k credits per use. That sounds very reasonsable to me considering how profitable their profession is.
Sadly for many reasons. Even as a DE and a new one at that I see the droid situation as dire. My alt uses BH droids and other than that I own no other droids and have no need of them. If a player buys a crafting droid it is out of convenience factor or sympathy alone. Crafting droids are not needed mainly because they do not store enough. I craft in one of my houses and I have all my materials stored in a vendor so I never actually use a droid. I owned a probot once during my initial levels but aftre lvl 35 it became more of a hindrance. I have a Master Ranger on another server and have never used a trapping droid or harvesting droid and see no value in them either. If they sell well I willmake them but I just do not see any value in any droids beyond the BH droids and may storage D270 for people overlly worried about decay. You need armor and weapons to enjoy most of the games content and earn credits. With the exception of the BH droids, Astro mechs and equivalents the vast majority of Droids add no real value and are not necessary to completing the games content and that is why the carry little value. The highest cost items in the game are attributed to PvP related items. Again other then BH droids and JTL Droids (Astro and equivalent) no other droids add value to PvP. I mine resources to sell so if I make 1000 seekers they cost me almost nothing including factory time and then if I turn around and sell them for 5k per crate of 5 I still net approx. 1.9million credits per run. Seekers and Arkyd's are made with junk resources, and can be made with 0003 DE. There is just no justification for the price.
Zenoee wrote:
Vorvee wrote:
Thats a tough one for me. A full run of Seekers can be made for 2cpu at worst if I buy the resourcesor less If I mine my own. If I sold them at 25k per crate of 5 I would be charging 50cpu. I just can't do that.
Hartigan wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
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Lycids wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
It's more like Droids are catching up to everything else. Go to your trade forums and see the amounts of cash people are throwing around. It's about time.
Exactly. If people are selling loot for millions, then give me my 25k for a crate with 5 BH droids in it. Well worth every credit.
Why does armor sell for 20-500k per piece? Thats 9 pieces per set. Why do weapons cost 5-500k each? Why does some clothing go for 1-100k per piece? DEs have been selling themselves short. You can't go by cpu. You can start with that but it won't work for the money availible in game. I have been raising my prices constantly over the past few months. Even SOE says there is too much money in the game and have been trying to cut the influx of new money out, but when people have 100's of millions it takes awhile.
http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/content.jsp?page=Astromech%20Stats%20Economy
Look what it takes to make an Advanced R3. How many components is that total? Factory runs? It takes at least 3 runs to get 1 crate of seekers or probes. We play the game for the fun, not for the money, but the money is there. Why shouldn't we get some of it too? Why is a +6 lightsaber CA worth 6 million and a crafting droid only worth 20k? Our problem is we don't have much to cater to the high level combat players. We have BH droids and that is it. 110 med droids, stimpack despensers, and trapping droids should help high level players some but they just don't use them. Even new players that bought TE have been selling their barcs for 1-5million. ADK going for 8 million? Again, our crafting droids for 20k?
I admit I sell myself short too. I am trying to raise prices to a point where they need to be. I feel uncomfortable charging too much when looking at cpu. It's something we all need to do though.
Straker_Atrella wrote:
Lycids wrote:
Straker_Atrella wrote:
It's more like Droids are catching up to everything else. Go to your trade forums and see the amounts of cash people are throwing around. It's about time.
Exactly. If people are selling loot for millions, then give me my 25k for a crate with 5 BH droids in it. Well worth every credit.
Yep, the NPC marks that people are killing drop tapes that sell from 1 million to as high as 100 million credits. There isn't a BH out there who wont be willnig to pay for the droids. Heck, you get 30k each mission, and you may use 3-4 charges of droids max, that alone pays for it.
WHOA HOLD THE PRESSES what BH loots go for 100 million? I MUST KNOW!
Again I have to disagree at least from the point of the higher end game which is where players actually have money to spend.
Message Edited by Vorvee on 08-19-2005 01:25 PM
Vorvee wrote:
Again I have to disagree at least from the point of the higher end game which is where players actually have money to spend.
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Again, I love the idea of droids and have ever since I started the game and came accross a MDE named J'vee but other than a DE's delight in what he creates SOE has provided nothing for DEs other than BH droids that make them necessary. BHs need these droids to do their missions which adds value to them but they can be made with absolute garbage. If someone would get the devs to add stats to these droids requiring experimentation for a valid purpose (boost tracking speed, accuracy etc) then we could charge more since better droids could result in faster target acquisition for the BH. Other than BH droids(Det Droids) included there is nothing that high level players truly can benefit from our droids. Now if you are a CL80 player going to experience High end content you will need armor, weapons, food but sadly no droidwill make a difference.
Message Edited by Vorvee on 08-19-2005 01:25 PM
Pretty much agree with you there. Whenever someone over Level 30 asks me for a super combat droid all I can say is that there isn't any. Tell them the max stats and then watch them go away.
However, crafting droids seem to sell well .. I guess so that crafters can make some things on the road which they would not be able to do otherwise. So kinda necessary. Also, crafters and other low level players will quickly grab a combat droid once they realise it will allow them to survive longer around high level critters (level 30ish) as long as they do NOT group with them.
Serious Pilots will consistently buy new droids for use in their ships and some may even ask for a specialised one once they reach master. Although droids are not necessary to fly the ship they are necessary to utilise the droids abilities in space and access the other factions abilities *burned* into the droid chips.
So, basically our main customers will tend to be ..
Low Level characters, Pilots, Bounty Hunters.
I do have to disagree there. The harvest... yes they hurt and don't help, that SHOULD be fixed (psst... devs!). It's a bug that should be fixed, they should help and not hurt. The trapping droids have benifits, people just don't use them or 'see' the benifit. Same with doc and stimpack droids, they help, but people don't 'see' that. Trappers throw traps FOR you. That means instead of you throwing a trap, you can shoot one more time. Now granted they only hold one kind of trap, (psst... devs... great upgrade idea here), they would be greatto use if they held several different kinds of traps and you gave different commands to throweach one. These areGREAT for going up the scout/ranger tree. I used one myself for it and itREALLY helped. I was throwing 4-5 traps perkill and never losing ashot. Inormally hit them with overwhelming shot (I think) to allow state effects and threw another trap.The 't' command doesn't cause you to lose a shot like it does if you actually throw the trap yourself. Even if the trap of choice doesn't give an effectafter the first one, as long as it 'hits' you get xp for it.
The 110 med use droid helps out A LOT too. When I play my ranger, I always go hunting with a doctor. It's just me and her, so I do a lot of killing and she does a lot of healing me. Since I finally talked her into using the med droid we can see aHUGE difference in her heals. I think it has been quoted at 20% larger heal. Drashk is the one with the perchents and knows all things droid.Me... I just build, use, and love them. I can also 'see' that benifit most cannot. It is a benifit for docs, medics, and combat medics... if they would use them.
Stimpack despensers I haven't used. Reading Drashk's and others comments on them I can 'see' that benifit too. I tried talking my doctor into using one but she wants the xp, and that I can understand. If you don't need that med xp, they would be great to use. May have to get a doc to load them, but still it would help during a good fight.
Also when you talk of combat droids, I am a CL73 ranger/rifleman and mine helps out A LOT! Every shot it gives is one I don't have to. There has been several missions we have had that would have sent us both to the cloning center if there wasn't 2 CL30 droids fighting at our sides. Another great benifit to droids most don't 'see'. I also have a CL55 smuggler/pistoleer that HAS to use a combat droid to get the missions done. I always use it. If you are on Bria and you see a short bothan chick named Prifa fighting... you will always see a CL30 probot ( or R3, I like change ) at her side laying down the laser fire! LOL They shoot twice as fast as we can as players. It helps! Another thing people don't see is group numbers. Is the limit 8 now? For reference take 8 CL80 players, that is a total of CL640. Now add 8 CL30 droids. That bumps up to CL880. I know you probably can't add it up like that but just for reference you can see the difference. Is 8 CL80 & 8 CL30 players a better and a more powerfull team than the 8CL80s alone? SURE they are. Granted it's not a huge plus to high level players but every shot does count. We would sell more if people could 'see' that. We would sell even more if we had something to offer the high level players that they could 'see' the benifit of easily. Also if the benifits could be 'seen' easier the price would go up on it's own.
Ok..
/endrant
I just can't see how players "can't see" the benifits of droids, even if it's not that much, but more like thatmuch. I feel like posting on the Ranger/Scout/Medic/Combat Medic/... ALL the boards and pointing these things out to people that dont 'see'. However we as DEs should 'see' what effects our products have in our game.
Ok...
final /endrant
LOL