Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: Armorsmith Corr. fired
Jenden
Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:57 pm
#14
Reaperss wrote:The player base is not being listened to. The daily polls show a consistant 80%+ negative rating for the CU. The interviews are full of lies. No offense to any current correspondents or blue glowies but if you guys don't make some noise and support him, and the crafter players it will be very disapointing. Every correspondent to a crafter proffesion should quit in protest. Or do what he is doing and ask us to send our concerns directly to them.
There's two ways you can try to get things done. You can constructively work in the system (doesn't mean you don't argue/fight/complain, just means you do it in the proper and constructive maner) or you can do what okram did, and essentially stir up trouble and organize a riot. The fact of the matter is that doesn't help, as it is Tiggs can't open her PM's half the time because the box gets too full (probably something lithium needs to fix... but if its full enough to break a professional forums system... you know thats a lot of PM's). The devs have seen the communities issues about the CU and about crafting professions in general (and we will continue to remind them), and no amount of rioting will make things change any faster/better/different.
Drashk
Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:20 pm
#15
Just to give a little background.....
Okram announced earlier last month, weeks before Beta testing began, that he was giving up his Armorsmith business on his home server and mentioned that he was going to try and wait the CU Upgrade out, before resigning the Correspondents postion.
Something else to chew on, Okram isn't the only Correspondent to have been removed from the program due to 'misbehaviour'. Two others, to my knowledge, have been removed for vilotating either SOE forum policy or game ToU.
Reaperss
Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:30 pm
#16
Jenden wrote:
Reaperss wrote:
The player base is not being listened to. The daily polls show a consistant 80%+ negative rating for the CU. The interviews are full of lies. No offense to any current correspondents or blue glowies but if you guys don't make some noise and support him, and the crafter players it will be very disapointing. Every correspondent to a crafter proffesion should quit in protest. Or do what he is doing and ask us to send our concerns directly to them.
There's two ways you can try to get things done. You can constructively work in the system (doesn't mean you don't argue/fight/complain, just means you do it in the proper and constructive maner) or you can do what okram did, and essentially stir up trouble and organize a riot. The fact of the matter is that doesn't help, as it is Tiggs can't open her PM's half the time because the box gets too full (probably something lithium needs to fix... but if its full enough to break a professional forums system... you know thats a lot of PM's). The devs have seen the communities issues about the CU and about crafting professions in general (and we will continue to remind them), and no amount of rioting will make things change any faster/better/different.
I understand your point but in this case I think something different is needed. Look, I have a bit of experiance with things like this. I'm what you might call a professional customer. I run a purchasing department at the large computer distribution company. I deal with HP, AMD etc. Sometimes, when the big boys don't listen you have to make them listen. THey want you as a buffer between them and the players. They want you to deal with us so they don't have to. Are they listening to you atm? Have they answered any of your DE concerns? Belive me, I've gambled with my relationships/contracts before. They have ALOT more to lose then we do. What are they going to do, ban us? ALot of us are on the verge of leaving. How would they spin the mass resignation of correspondents to the outside world? We need to make them listen, period.
Handsnake
Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:43 pm
#17
Jenden wrote:
There's two ways you can try to get things done. You can constructively work in the system (doesn't mean you don't argue/fight/complain, just means you do it in the proper and constructive maner) or you can do what okram did, and essentially stir up trouble and organize a riot. The fact of the matter is that doesn't help, as it is Tiggs can't open her PM's half the time because the box gets too full (probably something lithium needs to fix... but if its full enough to break a professional forums system... you know thats a lot of PM's). The devs have seen the communities issues about the CU and about crafting professions in general (and we will continue to remind them), and no amount of rioting will make things change any faster/better/different.
Perhaps the message should be a bit more expansive. I've cancelled pending the removal of the multiplier - which quite frankly makes being a pure crafter impossible. That's an issue (level multiplier) that is going to be huge when this hits live. If you clearly tell them these implications - all together in one message - it should be more noticeable than a series of issues posted one after another.
See, it seems they've lost sight of the way the game is interrelated - how the systems bolster or affect one another. You can tell them about specific bugs and they can deal with that - in fact, they prioritize them with very little thought. That's the way it works in this kind of error- report - rate - assign - fix - test cycle. They note each "issue" but don't see the fact that for one, DE is going to be crippled because of how the bugs act together - along with the combat system changes.
But really, we've been seeing how these basic changes plus the bugs are pointing to huge systemic problems. Tell them what the result in total is going to be.
We all see how many of our modules are broken, useless, or non-saleable. Do they actually know what percentage of our products have been made non-sellable? Do they know the overall impact on normal DE/Master Artisan templates with the combat "level" damage multiplier?
I think they're missing a lot of what you guys are saying because you guys KNOW what each thing you report means in the big picture. They just see datapoints.
Straker_Atrella
Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:57 pm
#18
Being pissed at Jenden is silly, lord knows he and I butt heads all the dang time, we disagree on a lot of points, yet our DE problems are not because he isn't doing his job.
The corr position is suppossed to be a 2 way street, Jenden sends information up, they send it down. It is not Jendens fault that he is sending the information up and it is not coming back the other way.
We already lost Drashk and TK from the Corr forums, which I can only hope get more Dev love then others. Jenden quitting would only leave us short a voice there at all, for at least a little while.
A mass Corr walkout? Hate to break it to you, but a large majority of players don't even visit the forums, they don't even know what a Corr is. All such an act would do is probably lead to the abolishment of the Corr positions entirely, which would be bad for us.
Jenden has been a little quiet, the CU was really crappy timing for him, we expected it 6 months from now, but he is hardly a yes man.
Handsnake
Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:28 pm
#19
I didn't intend to give the impression I was dissatisfied with his, Drashk's, nor with TK's representation over the last year. My apologies if that was the impression anyone got. I just was suggesting a submission of an "overall" bug/issue presentation to explain stuff to the devs.
Straker_Atrella wrote:
Being pissed at Jenden is silly, lord knows he and I butt heads all the dang time, we disagree on a lot of points, yet our DE problems are not because he isn't doing his job.
Cianhydle
Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:19 pm
#20
There's two ways you can try to get things done. You can constructively work in the system (doesn't mean you don't argue/fight/complain, just means you do it in the proper and constructive maner) or you can do what okram did, and essentially stir up trouble and organize a riot. The fact of the matter is that doesn't help, as it is Tiggs can't open her PM's half the time because the box gets too full (probably something lithium needs to fix... but if its full enough to break a professional forums system... you know thats a lot of PM's). The devs have seen the communities issues about the CU and about crafting professions in general (and we will continue to remind them), and no amount of rioting will make things change any faster/better/different.
I'm glad you're not my correspondent.
Renea,
go3
Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:23 pm
#21
Straker_Atrella wrote:
All such an act would do is probably lead to the abolishment of the Corr positions entirely, which would be bad for us.
Would it?
Drashk
Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:26 pm
#22
So am I. It means that Droid Engineer has a Correspondent that is level headed and is able to be a voice for the community, when it is needed the most.
Cianhydle wrote:
I'm glad you're not my correspondent.
V1G0
Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:35 pm
#23
Drashk wrote:
So am I. It means that Droid Engineer has a Correspondent that is level headed and is able to be a voice for the community, when it is needed the most.
Cianhydle wrote:
I'm glad you're not my correspondent.
Ding Ding Ding.... We have a winner!
Reaperss
Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:59 am
#25
Could anyone please tell me what we've gotten in the last 3-4 months by doing things the correct way? Drashk you yourself know very well what it's like to be ignored by TH. How many different ways did we tell them what we thought about DH? We all saw your correspondent forum post to the Devs. THey still tried to do what they wanted. We don't owe the Devs anything , including respect. F them.
Jenden
Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:31 am
#26
Reaperss wrote:Could anyone please tell me what we've gotten in the last 3-4 months by doing things the correct way? Drashk you yourself know very well what it's like to be ignored by TH. How many different ways did we tell them what we thought about DH? We all saw your correspondent forum post to the Devs. THey still tried to do what they wanted. We don't owe the Devs anything , including respect. F them.
While I can only vouch for the past 2 months or so, I can say that yes, we have made a difference by doing things the correct way. I have seen a number of large changes to proposals and plands due to correspondent feedback. It doesn't always happen, but the only time it every happens is when we're productive/constructive.