Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: Proposed Reconciliation for Droid Engineers and Smugglers
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Sirgleno
Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:48 am
#1
Ok,
Now I realize that the whole droid storage issue is contentious, and I only ask that in replying to this thread you keep everything flame free.
How about if Smugglers could slice the droid to give it limited smuggling abilities, perhaps up to 50% effectiveness at master Smuggler. This would allow for droid enhanced smuggling, and could work seperately from the smuggling mod, effectively giving the smuggler with a sliced droid 97.5% chance of beating the scan. This whole issue can be a boon for both professions here, I really want to see us working together on this one.
Yes I am both a Smuggler and a Droid Engineer, just wanted to make my bias clear.
Discuss...
EricTheGreat
Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:59 am
#2
Or how about we just leave it like it is?
Sounds like a plan to me
TheRealTK421
Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:03 am
#3
/salute
EricTheGreat wrote:
Or how about we just leave it like it is?
Sounds like a plan to me
/bow
Respectfully,
DrakeWindwalker
Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:28 am
#4
Because it makes us useless, with that and the imp crackdown, all we are is the weapon for pistoleer.
Kollos
Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:33 am
#5
DrakeWindwalker wrote:
Because it makes us useless, with that and the imp crackdown, all we are is the weapon for pistoleer.
Yeah, you're right. I completely forgot that a Droid can get an entire 20-persongroup past a Stormtrooper squad all by itself. Though now that we have those slicing and spice manufacturing modules there's not much left for Smugglers to do.
/rolleyes
TheRealTK421
Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:34 am
#6
That is something you're going to have to work out with your Correspondent and Thunderheart.
DrakeWindwalker wrote:
Because it makes us useless, with that and the imp crackdown, all we are is the weapon for pistoleer.
The two things are pretty much unrelated.
If you think otherwise, it's pretty clear that SOE and the Devs want you to use your regular communication 'channels' to try and get this addressed.
I wouldn't think this will happen in the short term. I seriously doubt it will happen in the longer term either.
That is something you're going to have to work out with your Correspondent and Thunderheart.
/bow
Respectfully,
RaiCella
Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:35 am
#7
Well fellas,
I'm glad to see that there are DEs willing to negotiate here for the improvement of both of our professions. Datapad bugs are known issues and WILL get fixed. The best example of this is actually not even the droid issue, but the vehicle issue (where you get a free repair by traveling on a shuttle). They are working on fixing that, and my guess is that once they do, you'll see droid storage fixed as well.
Smugglers will never be happy if droids always beat scans. And we are a large and vocal profession. In my opinion, DEs will fare better in the long run by working WITH us instead of AGAINST us.
Now to answer the original poster.
There is some disagreement in the smuggler community about whether our abilities should be able to be sold off to the general population at all (ie sliced smuggling droids that anyone can use). Slicing is a good example of what happens when we do: everyone ends up with a sliced weapon and sliced armor. While that is good for our pocket book, it goes against our original profession concept. Han Solo had a sliced ship.. but he didnt run a ship-slicing business.
I'm not sure where I fall on this issue. I just want to see smugglers as the only people who can reliably move shipments undetected through imperial scans. I also think droids have a role.
So there seem to bea fewways that droids can help smuggle
A) Make droids sliceable so that a portion of their cargo capacity will avoid scans. The % of slicing success determines either the % capacity available or the % of protection from scans. It is important to us that everyone cannot just buy 5 droids and then be able to move 50 units or CRATES of goods undetected, as this will eliminate the need for our services. But I can see a small smuggling compartment for a handful of items (1-3) be acceptable, if we are involved in its creation.
B) Make a smuggling module that DEs add to a droid asa skill enhancer for smugglers only. This would allow smugglers to be the only ones who smuggle, just like onlydocs can buff.. but can use a droid to help.
Class interdependence is a good thing. Items replacing players is not.
DrakeWindwalker
Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:38 am
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Kollos wrote:
DrakeWindwalker wrote:
Because it makes us useless, with that and the imp crackdown, all we are is the weapon for pistoleer.
Yeah, you're right. I completely forgot that a Droid can get an entire 20-persongroup past a Stormtrooper squad all by itself. Though now that we have those slicing and spice manufacturing modules there's not much left for Smugglers to do.
/rolleyes
A droid sure can holding all of there spice(like anyone going to use that) and some of there sliced weapons.
Slicing yes we can still do but most of the customers are gone.
Spice bussiness is mainly gone because of chef.
I didn't come here to rant, was just tring to help my fellow smuggler.
MachineZed
Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:42 am
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Slicing is illegal right?
How would slicing a droid help avoid the scan?
Now you get caught for having a sliced droid, sliced weapon, sliced armor and spices.
Kollos
Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:08 am
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DrakeWindwalker wrote:
A droid sure can holding all of there spice(like anyone going to use that) and some of there sliced weapons.
Slicing yes we can still do but most of the customers are gone.
Spice bussiness is mainly gone because of chef.
A droid can only hold 10 items. You're going to try to tell me that a single droid can hold all of the contraband that an entire group of 20 people carries? ROFLMAO. I'm carrying 3 sliced weapons right now, and I'm not even a combatant. Furthermore, do you have any idea how inconvenient it is to try to keep things that you use regularly stored in a droid? It's laughable... droids are more for long-term occasional use storage than anything else.
Your slicing customers are not gone any more than Weaponsmith and Armorsmith customers are gone. Every new weapon that is purchased to replace a sliced weapon is going to need your services. Every new piece of armor that is purchased to replace a sliced piece is going to need your services. Just because you can't get rich quick doesn't mean your customers are gone - it simply means that there are too many of you. We Droid Engineers are perfectly aware of this issue - OUR products aren't consumable and never decay. (Droid Batteries are made by Artisans, not Droid Engineers.) Think you have problems? Once you purchase a droid, you never need to buy another one. The Probot is the sole exception to that rule, and it's a very tiny exception since they don't wear out at anywhere near the rate of weapons or armor.
Spice business is not gone because of the Chef revamp, people are just experimenting. Chefs have new and exciting stuff right now, so people are busy experimenting with it. Once the newness wears off, people will settle on buying the spices and food that do what they need them to do. Food just can't replace spice - you can only eat so much food at one time.
Sirgleno
Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:28 am
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This issue will not go away, I happen to read the smuggler board quite often and I know they are frickin rabid about this, and honestly there are far more Smugglers than there are Droid Engineers. It really isn't fair to the Smugglers for anyone to be able to have a dimentional pocket thereby avoiding detection. Smugglers should be the smugglers, and in an attempt to reconcile this issue I have presented this compromise, you can one-star me all you want (please don't), this issue will not go away. FYI this thread was concurently posted on the Smuggler board, and most of them are equally unwilling to compromise. Compromising is the basis of democracy, and although this is more like a monarchy, there are genuinely democratic debates here in the forums that do, hopefully, influence SOE's decisions.
RaiCella
Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:31 am
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"A droid can only hold 10 items. You're going to try to tell me that a single droid can hold all of the contraband that an entire group of 20 people carries?"
Don't play dumb. You're so much smarter than that.
Max # of Droids on DatapadX Number of people in group x 10 = A heck of a lot of smuggling space.
How many storage droids are you selling per customer anyway?
Kollos
Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:36 am
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RaiCella wrote:
How many storage droids are you selling per customer anyway?
Typically 1-2. Or rather, I typically sell 1-2 droids per customer, and they all have storage in them. I can count the number of pure "storage droids" I have sold in my 7-month career on one hand. But more to the point, I have seen no increase in saleswhatsoever since patch 6, which means that this new feature of Droids has had no impact on Droid sales.
People buy storage in droids because they need more storage, not because it turns them into Smugglers.
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