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Thread: CLUELESS DEs with NO BUSINESS KNOWLEDGE WAKE UP

Lukious
Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:14 pm
#1


Ok I have to scream and rant over the idiot DE's I see in game charging 20k for R2 and R3 units. WHAT are you thinking.. are you so HARD UP for credits that you sell what we do for nothing... I


t took me a LOT of hours to grind MASTER DE and a heck of a lot of Credits buying the resources needed to grind it.


Then its taken me I dont know how many hoursmaking all the stupid componets in factries. not to mention thethe timeand expence harvesting resources. THEN after all of this, to make an R3 or R2 advance modle with all necessary componets that it takes a min of 10 to 20 mins of your time asuming you dont have the stuff premade in your factory.


You are selling a LIFE TIME COMPANION / HELPER / BODYGUARD to other players that THINK NOTHING of spending 100k + for armor and weapons that decay and have to be tossed. Or they spend 1.5 to 5 million for a stupid rugs, Rebel or Imp Flags, Wookie Orbs or some other piece of crap that in no way helps you in any aspect of your profession. I see folks Charging 50 to 100k for a single crafting station THEN Learn of some stupid DE that sold a 5 Craftomg Station R3 with Storage for 20k..

I have had numbers of folks say to me they never can find droids or DEs anymore and I can see why because we have IDIOTS in our profession that make it impossible to justiy the time, effort and cost of maintaining this profession, they would rather under value what a good droid is worth and sell it for dirt just so they can "HAVE A SALE" I am sorry but this is one DE that will not spend the time required to sell a R3 5 Station Crafting Droid for 20k



WAKE UP AND THINK DEs you provide a tool that is MORE valueable I would say then 90 percent of the crap thatfolks spend 100s of thousdands of credits on.. YOU are also NOT charging nor factoring into your pricing what it costs you monthly for VENDORS, a SHOP, RESOURCES, nor the Costs it took you to grind the profession, buy your crafting stations buy youryour harvestors, pay Maintanice on your harvestors and more importantly your time.


You make our profession look like junk dealers when you sell our wares for the pricking you do andyou under value and make us not worth respecting when you sell droids for that price. Youalso make it difficult for the rest of us to pay all the over head cost required to maintain this profession. And I am telling you there is no way you are making any profit when you factor your time, resources, vendor, housing, Maint Fees and harvester costs . ..... NO WAY POSSIBLE all you do is show what a POOR business person you are and how hard up for credits you are. You will eventually go out of business because your out going costs will exceed your incoming and you HURT the entire DE profession on that server by doing it.. SO STOP



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Lukious
Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:45 pm
#2

Let me help you with pricking as an after thought..


R3 with Combat 600 HAM 4400 should be priced at 100k min Better price would be 150k- Folks will make this cost back using it selling the loot and xp it brings them

R3 with Medical 110 and Stem Dispencer and Storage 100k Min Better price would be 150k Doctors will make this back in 5 buffs at any starport

R3 with 5 Crafting Staions and Storage 100k Min. -Better price would be 150k Artisans and Crafters will make this back selling one Harvester.

R3 with 6 Dancing Effects 100k - Dancers make this back in oneday of dancing.. My dancer wookie makes 10k to 100k per day

R3 with harvesting bonus 110 plus 100k Min - Should be 150k again they make this up selling the resources and xp it gains them



R2 with Combat HAM3990 should be priced at 100k min Better price would be 125k- Folks will make this cost back using it selling the loot and xp it brings them

R2 with Medical 110 and Stem Dispencer and Storage 100k Min Better price would be 150k Doctors will make this back in 5 buffs at any starport

R2 with5 Crafting Staions and Storage 100k Min. -Better price would be 150k Artisans and Crafters will make this back selling one Harvester.

R2 with5 Dancing Effects 100k - Dancers make this back in oneday of dancing.. My dancer wookie makes 10k to 100k per day



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Micco30
Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:42 pm
#3

Can't say I agree with either your ranting or your pricing scheme, but we all are entitled to our opinions. My opinion is that your prices are way out of line with the pricing on my server, and I would guess a few others. Pricing yourself out of the median range means you get few, if any, repeat customers once they find out how much more you are charging for items than other people. So unless you can make the "best" (insert name here) on your server, your sales will eventually decline as people start labeling you are "greedy" compared to the others. It's a fact of life and it has happened to me in game too. So I adjusted my prices to be more in line with what I saw out there.


My advice is to think long term. Price your wares according to need and level of effort. I sell my wares for whatI believe is a fair price based on cost per resource unit. Sounds to me like your pricing scheme is based on some other unit of measure.



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Lukious
Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:39 pm
#4

Micco30 you are EXACTLY the kind of player I am talking about, you think NOTHIING of paying 100k for a single stationary crafting station you need to make your droid but then think some how it is UNFAIR or GREEDY to charge for100k for a bot that follows you ANYWHERE, Can Store Items and has 5 CRAFTING STATIONS in it.. You are a clueless businessman / DE. You make NO business sence and are one of the DEs that most likely prices his 5 unit crafters for 30k



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Rolland_Karn
Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:48 pm
#5

first of all, calm down.i dont see anything wrongfor selling a droid for a lesser price if it means solidifying future vendor/buyer relationships. howelse can you create a sturdybase of buyers if you dont bring them in/ give them a taste of what you have. that, to me, is a goodbuisnesspractice. building a strong sense ofcommunity is just as, if notmore, important than making a lot of money. i agree that it takes a good deal of time to craft up to master DE, and of course it costs a lot of time and money to attain the resources. if you are good enough to the people in your galaxy, then that good nature should eventually be redirected towards you. I hope there arent people who want to take advantage of anyone in games, especailly the artisian community. I am sure, though, that there are a few in each galaxy. from what i have seen on my server, the people on every planet are more than happy to pay me well and trade me goods (including valuable resources) for my services.I would much rather trade for raw materials, respect, friends, and future buyers who will pay you the REAL worth of a droid than to get some impersonal amount of cash.


but you run your buisness your way, i will run mine the same. and if i go out of buisness thanoh well, i will have the friends to pull me out of the rut.


R.K.
Straker_Atrella
Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:50 pm
#6

Well I don't think we need to fight about it. This has been a hot topic of debate for a long time. Some people price according to CPU, some price according to use, some according to other functions. I honestly believe that only by looking at all of it is a DE giving fair justice to his product.


In a perfect world, my droids would probably cost about twice what they do, yet I would lose buisiness simply due to being undercut. In a world where a crate of brandy costs 100k, suits of armor that cost 300k, and many other expendables, Droids should cost more. Yet you can only charge what the market will bear. Droids in some cases are not seen as usefull as other items.


I am against charging a flat rate of CPU, simply beceause it doesn't take account of that the owner will use it for and what people will pay for it. For example, an Entertainer Droid doesn't make an Entertainer more money, it is just for show. However a Harvest Droid will pay for itself after 15 minutes of Harvesting.


No side is really right or wrong, people are free toprice as they choose. The problem is that if people overprice stuff, people will just shop elsewhere. Yet if people underprice stuff, they hurt everybody, including themselves. Droids are usefull tools in SWG, they should be respected as such.



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SerkLightstalker
Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:54 pm
#7


Actually, I think what micco30 is saying is: He prices competitively. That is one thing that makes business work. If you are the only one that is charging 100k for a droid while everyone is selling them for under 50k, you won't sell droids. All he's saying is that the general price for a droid on his server isn't that high. So to stay competitive (and stay in business), he has to price to the average cost of a droid of any certain kind.


Now, I'm not saying droids aren't worth 100k, I believe they are worth that at least (especially to those doc's who would be beggars if it weren't for they're buffers), but you won't get those prices as long as other DE's will charge so little. So in that aspect, i certainly agree with you.


Comparing droid pricing to armor pricing is hard because the demand for armor is so high and armorsmiths actually charge what they want and they'll get it. The problem with this not working for DE's is that droids don't decay (combat excluded). If all droids decayed or at least required a droid repair tool, there might be a chance to actually make good money per droid. That's why I've learned to specialize. I specialize in one type of droid and offer several variations of other droids by special order...this has certainly worked for me in the past.


I am just returning to the DE profession after a very long break from it (9 months) so I'm certainly curious to see how things have changed and what's improved.

Message Edited by SerkLightstalker on 01-16-2005 07:55 PM



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Rolland_Karn
Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:02 pm
#8

i agree with everyone to an extent. competative pricing is good for the galaxy and all the DEs therein. droids are not looked upon as an absolute necessity, when in fact they are priceless. there will never be a clear-cut way to price a droid, i suppose it is just a learning process: what droid sells for what priceand those droids that are in most high demand will sell faster. i am still new to the profession, andi take all of your input into account when i am making droids. CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!
Lukious
Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:12 pm
#9

All I am saying is that it cost me about 2million to setup shop, to say nothing of the resource cost required to grind the class.I have 10 stationary crafting machines each that I payed 100k for.. If we priced droids the same way then a 5 station Crafting bot should be priced at 500k Why should DE's pay 100k for a single crafting station or 130 to 150k for a single harvester then some how feel that it is GREEDY for wanting to recope your investment costs and the massive amounts of time it takes to make a droid and all of its parts.


I like making droids and I enjoy the DE field but do NOT think it is fair to me and other DEsto have to pay 100k plus for all the items we need to make the droids..


The 1000 copper needed to make 110 combat modules sells for 2.5 million per 10k gee i guess I should pay that then GIVE my droids away.. DEs are turning the Profession into JUNK DEALERS when they sell their droids for the same pricing as loot that drops off mobs. Droidscan be traded, sold, they are good for a LIFE TIME I do NOT think a 5 station crafting droid priced at 150k is out of line it is well below market for what a single crafting station costs and that crafting station just SITS in one spot and does NOTHING ELSE.


I am a Master Artisin, Master Shipright, Master Architect, Master DE so it does not hurt me to leave the DE profession, it hurts the comunity because it wont talk long for folks to realize they can make a lot more doing other things for a lot less work. Bottom line is the DE profession is becoming nothing more junk sellers .. Heck I can get more selling 100k of steel for 500k and that only takes 5 mins of my time a week I dont need to bust my but making 600 Rated combat droids, wtih 4477 ham only to have some numbnut undercut my 125k price and sell his for 50k its not worth my time and cost to producedroidsfor that. SO as long asIDIOTS want to continue to do that then theserver will suffer because DEs like myself and others have moved on to other professions or other games. Nina on Bria sold her toon an moved on to WoW because the DE market is now in myopinionat the pricing folks are charging.

The other sad thing is most folksthat dont make Droids are getting shafted because it takes them timein game before they figure out the difference between a high quality R3600 rated combat droid with4477 ham and a400 rated R3 with 3800 ham.. I had a guy come to me telling me his harvest droid had 7 harvest on it.... He was a noob so I took the time to explain to him how harvest modules work and their rating..Bottom line is he was SWINDLED by some UnderPriced DE and this is all that will be left on Bria because good DEs like Nina are gone, and Goma only makes droids based on references and requests now.. So EVERYONE LOSES the DEs lose as well as the Players



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SerkLightstalker
Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:26 pm
#10






Lukious wrote:

All I am saying is that it cost me about 2million to setup shop, to say nothing of the resource cost required to grind the class.I have 10 stationary crafting machines each that I payed 100k for..



Why don't you just build yourself a droid with crafting stations in it? Seems a master DE could do for himself what he does for others.




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Lukious
Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:36 pm
#11

What wonderfull in-site you have... You DONT start off as a Master DE so you NEED the crafting stations to get started. Next you will be telling me since i am a Master Artisan I dont NEED harvesters I can just sample all the resources I need



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Goma - Master Armorsmith / TKM
Burgermeister - Master Politician / Master Shipwright / Master Artisan
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Lukious
Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:41 pm
#12

Look I didnt start this threed to rag on folks only to vent my frustration, folks need to pay what is fair for the work that goes into a high quality droid. And I am sorry a combat rated 600 droid made with Eweodehi Copper and Oopilite Gas is not worth making for 50 to 75k..Nor is a high end Harvester droidso if thats all folks think thier droid is worth then let them buy them off the Junk DE dealers... If you want to pay a fair price and get a 99 to 100% droid then u can email Goma in game.. otherwise I will stick with harvesting, and the other professions



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Goma - Master Armorsmith / TKM
Burgermeister - Master Politician / Master Shipwright / Master Artisan
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Zorkk
Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:03 pm
#13

I can see where Lukious is comming from. I was the same when i first started. But ya know, i just priced my droids what i thought they were worth, not "competative" pricing.


Then i went around to the other DE's, and I almost died. It was terriblly depressing. but i didn't lower my prices. I've been stubborn this whole time, and I make fine sales, pay's my expences nicely. I am a well known DE on the server, I deliver, I make droids on the spot for ppl in a very short amount of time, and i think that helps a lot. What also helps is having a lot of styles and variety on my vendors. Ppl dont' ahve to go to 5 different vendors to find exactly what they want, because i have it all.


Takes me a damn lotta work to do it, but it's worth it. Ask anyone on flurry who to go to for a DE and you'll probably hear my name most often. And in recent price checks with other DE's.. i am seeing prices on rise a little...


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