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Takami-Kos
Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:30 pm
#1
Greetings all.
I'm new to doc. Have been one for 2days or so. I started monitoring the Doc forums tho several weeks before I hit master. I enjoy reading forums so I read most that came in 
I must say to ya all that I'm very displeased. I mean, what the **edit** is going on.
Majority of the posts are complaints about prices being low. And about how u get flamed for being a doc, how u get flamed for raising prices etc etc. I do realise tho, that I'll prolly be flamed for this post I do not care, I'm disgusted my some that i read on these forums so i do not care!
I do not care, I'm disgusted my some that i read on these forums so i do not care!What those docs complaining about prices are doing is COMPLETELY ILLEGAL in real life (I do realise we are not playing in real life, but i do not see why there should be completetly different ethics here.)
You say to docs "let's raise prices, let's all keep prices at 50k per buff so we can feel good and rich, those combat jerks can make 1mill per hour if they run janta's endlessly anyways!"
Doesn't anyone realise that this is illegal? (I'm icelandic so i do not know the word for this, I'm sorry)
Arranging the prices between businiess is illegal!
We live in a competitive society! Why on earth shouldn't doc business be competitive?
You talk about WS's and AS's pricing their items as they like. They still have competition. 2 docs on my server are great, I used to buy from one (and mainly still do cuz of variety in weapons). He sells Power Hammers for 30k per, the other, sells them not as good, for 24k per, I bought from the lower one, cuz of price and hoped for a good slice.
I just cannot grasp on why doctoring should be any different, why the hell we should have your prices up the roof, just because "we can and other players can earn more easily"
I say we/you stop WHINING and start COMPETING! I
Where has the motto "Everything for the customer" gone? It flew out the window?
Where has the motto "Everything for the customer" gone? It flew out the window?
No one thinks about the customer in buffing business.
Sure, bring ahead your non sense about "hard work collecting this and that blablabla" I don't care, if u don't like it you can buy your buffpacks and still make a fortune. I bought packs for 90k per pack (each single pack, i actually got mass discount tho) buffs were 2300-2500 for 3hrs. 26 uses in pack, that is 260k for me spending an hour at coronet buffing, my pure profit was thus 170k.
I have been a combat profession btw for many many months so I've been both sides of the table. I know it sucks to stay in line and blablabla.
I have been a combat profession btw for many many months so I've been both sides of the table. I know it sucks to stay in line and blablabla.
I have yet to see all these complaints u whine about, most people have been very polite and fun to talk to. (I have spent some time indeed buffing at coronet)
I don't know if i made my point lol 
I'm tired, but I think every doc should make his own price, I do not think it's right that other docs suggest there prices, even tho it's just a suggestion. It's illegal
Truly my best regards
Takami Kos
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Shflow
Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:41 pm
#2
Just be like me...don't starport buff (then again I have different means of making money)
(then again I have different means of making money)
Greenbulb
Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:15 pm
#4
I much doubt you have Paid any attention to any of these people.
Are you trying to cut off Freedom of speach?
We can't stop untill Combat people Stops Complaining over us.
About our Prices and stats and cutting line and skiping over people and Buffing times and location ect ect ect ect ect.
Even after that all we whould complain about is the Avain meat price thats gone up 500-600cpu
Which SHOULD be lowered. theres a limit on what doctors needs tospend on resorces and its about passed the limit. so we haved to put the prices of our buffs up then avain meat guys Puts it back up 50cpu and we just keep going in a loop. so we are complaining and wondering how to put the price down because its getting ridiculious. And we go on some sort of unknown Strike (i mean look at how many people has stoped buffing!) Fine you have your Prices at 10k let me put my price up 15k.
Complaining is illegal? Oh gee you just Complained on the boards...Behold..you've just Broke your own law that no one is ever going to follow.
Vegitaa
Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:16 pm
#5
Well, to address this let me tell you my experience.
I have been a Teras Kasi Master/ Master Doctor for a long time now. About 9 months give or take a few weeks. If you are trying to be a Doctor to "Make alot of money" then you're going to run into some bad customers. Kind of like working the drive-through at Taco-Bell. To grind cash you sit in or around a starport constantly buffing lines and lines of players. Some will be overt, broke, annoyed at the long wait, whining.. etc...
For those reasons I have never been a Starport buffer. As a matter of fact I am a master doc for my friends and myself first. If I travel somewhere and hear someone say, "Anyone selling buffs?!?" I Ignore the request and move on. Don't get me wrong, I have buffed for money before but it is rare and far between. I'll buff people in hunting groups if we are out in the wilderness, or I'll help out some new guy thats been in-game a short time, but it's on my terms.
I think that a lot of Doc's get stuck in the starport buffing because depending on the server you cvan make an easy million in a day. Personally, I find that boring. Not trying to flame those who do it, I just don't. Doesn't fit my playstyl;e nor does it fit my character. I buy my pharm's from established dealers (which in itself can be expensive) but I have built long relationships with them.
Keep in mind that on the forums there's a lot of screaming and yelling about problems either real or percieved. Take it all with a grain of salt. Not too mention, half the time the people screaming the loudest have never actually been Doctor's, they were just holo-grinders or money-grubbers.
KiavasSFB
Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:34 pm
#6
First of all you are a very opinionated Doc for being 2dayz old. Which in itself deprives you of any credability. Imagine this is a player run economy, i know it must be hard for you to comprehend.
As greenbulb said hunters raise prices..Docs are forced to raise prices..
So plz stop pointing the greed finger at docs, it is such a common misconception. I didnt start making my millions until i stopped commercially buffing. Back when i was a starport buffer i would maintain around 4mil +/-. And i have been doing this for around 7mnths. You may say i must not know what i am doing, well that is BS i enjoy other aspects of the game aswell which include PvP and PvE not buff warz. And these other aspects cost money <if you want to be succesfull>. Sitting on my ass all day buffing people so i can make money i am never going to spend because all i do is sit on my ass buffing people, HMMMM sounds like fun i am in.
I have faith you will understand one day right now you are just a combat geek who finnaly made doc and you are venting all your BS on us. PLZ play your proff for awhile before attempting to judge the whole doc community.
Greenbulb
Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:34 pm
#7
Here..Pay Attention to these 
this is what your ignoreing ya know,You'll go through the same thing
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Quoteing ofa quoteing..people (i lost the names but people will know their own wrighting i guess). I mean..why do Doctors haved to repeat very good points in a diffrent way? Anyways Combat people are deeper into the Greed zone then Doctors. I'll charge what ever i Damn want on buffs for my time and effort. ok now..READ!
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It's very hard to collect 60,000 units of herbivore meat and 45,000 units of avian to make 4 crates of each enhance pack on each run, not to mention all the other rare resources you need from all across the galaxy. Also, the other crafters in the game have a single line of artisan as a prereq, which gives them surveying, while we have to master medic and cannot survey without artisan. It takes docs 63 more skill points than other crafters to become self sufficient harvester/crafters. We also have only two sellable items; Stim-B's and Enhances, so we do need to charge what we can for them.
Crafting is no easier from one trade to another. I don't know where people get the idea that one is "easier" than the other, making mid range weapons and armour is as easy as mid range meds.
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It's very hard to collect 60,000 units of herbivore meat and 45,000 units of avian to make 4 crates of each enhance pack on each run, not to mention all the other rare resources you need from all across the galaxy. Also, the other crafters in the game have a single line of artisan as a prereq, which gives them surveying, while we have to master medic and cannot survey without artisan. It takes docs 63 more skill points than other crafters to become self sufficient harvester/crafters. We also have only two sellable items; Stim-B's and Enhances, so we do need to charge what we can for them.
Crafting is no easier from one trade to another. I don't know where people get the idea that one is "easier" than the other, making mid range weapons and armour is as easy as mid range meds.
Yes people can survive without buffs, they know it but they don't want to have to group unbuffed to kill what they can solo buffed. Greed is the driving force, not of the doctors however. Well maybe some but most charge 10k, which IMO is undercharging ass from that price you cover the cost of:
- buying(as most starters do) buff packs
- buying bivoli
- buying havla(some use this)
- cover the expenses of stims/wound packs that people think grow on trees
- covering the stockpile of resources(for future crafting)
- covering the start up cost of getting BE clothes to buff
- the cost of skill tapes for crafting
- the apron for crafting
- my gross amount of time sitting there serving other while they get returns 100x greater than mine.
- buying(as most starters do) buff packs
- buying bivoli
- buying havla(some use this)
- cover the expenses of stims/wound packs that people think grow on trees
- covering the stockpile of resources(for future crafting)
- covering the start up cost of getting BE clothes to buff
- the cost of skill tapes for crafting
- the apron for crafting
- my gross amount of time sitting there serving other while they get returns 100x greater than mine.
why do I buff again?
As it stands I rarely public buff, I do buff people in my group and friends. Most of the time in public things go like this...receive tell, answer to price, receive complaint, refund cash, /pointat other doctor, /tell enjoy, /addignore.
Buffing is more stressful than my real job! You are getting tells at the rate of 1 per second asking your prices/stats/what place in line...etc
Buffs are an essential service to roughly 70-85% of the player population. (the exception of course being the crafters)
All buffs should be free! And Docs should just tip everyone they buff 10K for allowing themselves to be buffed, now thats only fair! /HEAVY SARCASM HA, you pleople should listen to yourselves. I Wish so hard, that you all would listen to me. If all Docs decided to ban together and not sell ANY or give ANY buffs for 1 week, you would ALL know what I'm talking about. THEY NEED US. We are not the pissants they make us out to be. If WSs go one strike for a week, no biggy, weapons last Months. Docs going on strike would KILL the economy. Some of you have no clue what we are worth. Think of what would happen if there were no Docs buffing anymore for just one mesely week and then tell me what you think is a fair price. 3-5K for 2400 pwr buffs, uh huh, you are they type of people who are ruining doc for the rest of us. *wine* But I make money off of that *wine* Ok, well if each buff costs you 2K, then you can sell them for 2001 creds and make money. Try that and tell me how you don't want to charge that little. But why, you are still making a profit?
I am sick and tired of being treated like a boot licking servant on Chilestra. I'm not a peon, I'm not your slave. There are the few rare gems of people of the bunch, but too far between. I have had it fully with buffing for money. I make a heck of a lot more buffing myself and running rancor missions as a Rifleman then selling buffs. I never wear my tag unless it is a few seconds after I log in,and need to turn it off again. And if someone reads my profile, sees Im a doc, and wants buffs, I tell them Im running missions and they had better give me a darn good offer to stop. 20K is min for them to get me to stop.
God this enrages me. Its one thing for the jerks of the galaxy who arent docs to attack us for prices. Then it just drives me over the edge that there are undercutters, see my previous post on this thread, and Docs who treat other docs like dirt as well. If we cant treat each other civily and have some loose alliance how are we ever going to function properly as a profession? The SWG economy is modeled after and supposed to mirror the current economy. WHERE IN THE NAME OF VADER DO YOU SEE ONE DOC DOING BRAIN SURGERY FOR $100,000 AND ANOTHER DOC WITH THE SAME ABILITY IT DOING FOR $10,000? Maintaining prices, thought they may change SLIGHTLY and SLOWLY, is crucial for a stable economy. And some docs out there are killing it.
I suggest you guys do the same as me. Leave the buff bot life and do combat. Buff yourself and do missions. Then when all the Docs are doing that and everyone else is crying "where have all the docs gone, we need buffs" Then they MIGHT start treating us with respect, and perhaps Docs could be civil to one another then.
I am sick and tired of being treated like a boot licking servant on Chilestra. I'm not a peon, I'm not your slave. There are the few rare gems of people of the bunch, but too far between. I have had it fully with buffing for money. I make a heck of a lot more buffing myself and running rancor missions as a Rifleman then selling buffs. I never wear my tag unless it is a few seconds after I log in,and need to turn it off again. And if someone reads my profile, sees Im a doc, and wants buffs, I tell them Im running missions and they had better give me a darn good offer to stop. 20K is min for them to get me to stop.
God this enrages me. Its one thing for the jerks of the galaxy who arent docs to attack us for prices. Then it just drives me over the edge that there are undercutters, see my previous post on this thread, and Docs who treat other docs like dirt as well. If we cant treat each other civily and have some loose alliance how are we ever going to function properly as a profession? The SWG economy is modeled after and supposed to mirror the current economy. WHERE IN THE NAME OF VADER DO YOU SEE ONE DOC DOING BRAIN SURGERY FOR $100,000 AND ANOTHER DOC WITH THE SAME ABILITY IT DOING FOR $10,000? Maintaining prices, thought they may change SLIGHTLY and SLOWLY, is crucial for a stable economy. And some docs out there are killing it.
I suggest you guys do the same as me. Leave the buff bot life and do combat. Buff yourself and do missions. Then when all the Docs are doing that and everyone else is crying "where have all the docs gone, we need buffs" Then they MIGHT start treating us with respect, and perhaps Docs could be civil to one another then.
We strive to have better buffs,you say who cares? well its a pain to have as many complaints as possible,INfact WITH better buffs i never got any complaints because of sucky buffs(people that are rude complain i guess..),Its hard enough dealing with 5 people /telling you at the same time,while buffing a guy and people around asking "how much?" and a crowd,big or small waiting on every second for each stat i give this person while going to the next person and i forgot about 1 or 2 people so i had to skip (because them,then THEY complain about it and i haved to say "yes i know you paid" while the next fellow wanting to die so i can rez,i get a tef while rezing,wow in the cloneing center (NO wonder most people don't carry disease and wounds packs to heal you,i do but its a freaking pain!)
i get healed go back pay people for time-loss,start again in the same spot,haveing to move because a speeder bike is on your nerves,take out your driod,wait on the next person to come up,they ask for the buff,they pay
my driod runs out of batterys i haved to search though my backpack for batterys,more people /tell i haved to tell them where i am at,what stats my buffs are and how much my buffs cost (typeing as fast as i can and having to repeat myself because i mistyped) i fanilly get my battery and feed my driod,i forgot to put on Bivoli i gave him a full-sucky buff,i feel bad cus i could have given him better,while trying to keep track of who paid,who is coming over to find me and /telling people best i can without loseing my temper. Sound hard or just a bad day? well i do that everytime i buff for some Odd HOURS and just about every single thing i said happens everyotime i start to buff for your hunting habit (or what ever you need buffs for) i MAY not get a tef and die though,everytime i buff i mean,So people were saying how hard it is to get Avain meat? heh
i get healed go back pay people for time-loss,start again in the same spot,haveing to move because a speeder bike is on your nerves,take out your driod,wait on the next person to come up,they ask for the buff,they pay
my driod runs out of batterys i haved to search though my backpack for batterys,more people /tell i haved to tell them where i am at,what stats my buffs are and how much my buffs cost (typeing as fast as i can and having to repeat myself because i mistyped) i fanilly get my battery and feed my driod,i forgot to put on Bivoli i gave him a full-sucky buff,i feel bad cus i could have given him better,while trying to keep track of who paid,who is coming over to find me and /telling people best i can without loseing my temper. Sound hard or just a bad day? well i do that everytime i buff for some Odd HOURS and just about every single thing i said happens everyotime i start to buff for your hunting habit (or what ever you need buffs for) i MAY not get a tef and die though,everytime i buff i mean,So people were saying how hard it is to get Avain meat? heh
Everyone that Wants more Credits is Greedy anywho
Guess how Greedy them Newbs are!
Guess how Greedy that Billionare is!
Guess how Greedy everyone is?
Ect ect ect
Guess how Greedy that Billionare is!
Guess how Greedy everyone is?
Ect ect ect
It will never end. People will say we are greedy because we put up the price out of the "limit" combat people set for us
Combat peeps Complain and we consiter them greedy because they are wanting buffs For free so they can make more money
Combat peeps Complain and we consiter them greedy because they are wanting buffs For free so they can make more money
Cut the crap.
Everyone on the Game is greedy. OK i get it.
Now let me set my Own Price and stop blameing me for something the "greedy" rangers did to us. that and i'm Also Setting the price up because the Combat people DO complain because they are "greedy" for their own Money. Buffing is one of the Most Stressful thing i can do on my computer...and thats consitering alot because i come across alot of Bull**edit**.
Everyone on the Game is greedy. OK i get it.
Now let me set my Own Price and stop blameing me for something the "greedy" rangers did to us. that and i'm Also Setting the price up because the Combat people DO complain because they are "greedy" for their own Money. Buffing is one of the Most Stressful thing i can do on my computer...and thats consitering alot because i come across alot of Bull**edit**.
Greenbulb
Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:55 pm
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Just fine and dandy Been awhile since you've been online Kiavas
Oh and Barrett is going to hand over the IGDA club to me. since he quit. Maybe get more docs in the club 
Catch ya online...
CyberBob123
Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:00 pm
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Takami, go buff people in the starports for lets say 2 weeks and see what we have to deal with then you might start to get a glimpse. Now do it for 2 more months and you will realize why myself and alot of other docs no longer public buff!
Vermicious_Knid
Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:26 am
#11
I think you mean, "unethical", not illegal.
It can't be illegal since there are no laws. It is unethical, to a point, but ethics are relative anyway.
If you follow these price fixing threads or do a search on "buff prices" or "doctor's union", they never get anywhere anyway, for the reason you stated in your post. The market takes care of it. Price fixing requires all major players to participate, and in this game there's always someone who will undercut.
It all comes out in the wash, really.
Takami-Kos wrote:
Doesn't anyone realise that this is illegal? (I'm icelandic so i do not know the word for this, I'm sorry)
Greenbulb
Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:26 am
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Vermicious_Knid wrote:
I think you mean, "unethical", not illegal.
It can't be illegal since there are no laws. It is unethical, to a point, but ethics are relative anyway.
If you follow these price fixing threads or do a search on "buff prices" or "doctor's union", they never get anywhere anyway, for the reason you stated in your post. The market takes care of it. Price fixing requires all major players to participate, and in this game there's always someone who will undercut.
It all comes out in the wash, really.
Takami-Kos wrote:
Doesn't anyone realise that this is illegal? (I'm icelandic so i do not know the word for this, I'm sorry)
Not exactly, IGDA has 20+ master doctors in it. on intrepid we get to know each other and have less fights about under cutting price doctors. Might wanna try makeing a IGDA sometime, you'd be surprised how many people will join. besides all you haved to do is give some Doctor Information to them all and have meetings on if your going on strike because of the unfair prices ect tho since Barrett has quit i'll need to get everyone together again.
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