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Thread: Question about abec

Okin_Sin
Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:45 am
#1

I got a question about how these work. I have been told to go for power, and by others to go for charges. I will be making mostly enhance d's, and a few stims and wound packs.


I was testing the difference between a couple abec's one 23 P 12 C and the other 13P 21C.


All the other ingredients remained the same.

First buff came out maxed enhance health at 808 and 30 charges, with 13p 21c

Second buff came out Maxed enhance health at 809 and 20 charges, with the 23p 12c


Is this normal results? By this you would think that the power on the abec has no real outcome in the final product. Losing 10 charges for 1 point of power is not a good deal.


Is this normal, or does the power make a noticable difference?
mcglonec
Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:02 pm
#2

The attributes on your subcomponents are basically added right to the final product. Therefore, using a BEC with 20 charges will yield a product with roughly 10 more charges than a product made using a BEC with only 10 charges. Same goes for power - if you use a BEC with 10 moer power, you'll end up with a final product with roughly 10 more power.


In your case, I'm guessing that there was some discrepancy in experimentation (perhaps one extra "good" result for the second pack) that kept the power levels so close together. If the experimentation was identical, I would have expected the power levels to differ by 8-12 points.


In my opinion, even if you had gotten the additional 10 points of power, it's not worth sacrificing 10 charges on your enhancement pack. Honestly, which would you rather have, a pack with 860 power and 30 charges or a pack with 870 power and 20 charges? I can tell you which one I'd prefer.


By the way, it can be very difficult to determine how your experimentation impacted your enhancement pack. The reason for this is that, with every experiment that you run on effectiveness, you're really modifying 2 attributes (power and duration) and they seem to be impacted separately. So, when you experiment, instead of determining your success level just once, it is done twice. Once for power and once for duration. Then, the results are averaged and that average success is displayed. Therefore, a great success and a good success, may still appear as a great succes. This makes it difficult to determine if both packs were effected by experimentation in exactly the same way.




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Davy
Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:03 pm
#3

I think you've come to the same conclusion I have: ABECs are best experimented for CHARGES.


With the latest good resources I got, I made 3 variations of ABECs with the following charges/power ratio:


Max charges: 18/14


Mid range: 16/15


Max power: 12/20


With the 12/20 ABEC I was able to craft Stim Bs in the 31/421 range.


With the mid-range ABEC I got 35/409 Stim Bs.


I didn't care to experiment with the Max charges ABEC, figuring I probably will get Stim Bs in the 40/350 range, or maybe with even lower power values, and I didn't want to make and sell anything Stim with less than 400 power. I'm still trying to decide which is better (faster selling) though: 31/421 or 35/409?


Personally, there would be times when I'd want more healing power per charge, and others when it's not such a big deal. More charges, then, would present more value to the buying public. If you just multiply the charges by the power of the stim, the higher number of charges give more *total* healing points per stim.


In short, it's all in the eyes of the beholder.





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Okin_Sin
Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:06 pm
#4

Actually on both of those the experimentation is maxed out for effectivness. 808 and 809 was the highest I could possible go.
Davy
Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:17 pm
#5

The problem with Enhance Packs is that it's even *more* difficult to guage a pack's effectiveness.


Why? Because the actual buffs very all over the freakin' map.


With +25 Injury and Wound Treatment clothing on, my Master Doc may get *more* buffing done when using a lousy pack of 650 as compared to a nice pack of 911, both done in the same sitting, on 2 separate stat of the same character. It boggles my mind. I look for, harvest, use the very best resources I can get, experiment exhaustively, discarding all results not considered "best possible", get e-packs of 911 power and 12k+ duration, and then do lousy buffs, being Master Doc and wearing the max enhanced clothing, compared to much lower quality e-packs.


There's been some discussion from the Devs regarding doing away with the large variances of buffs, in favor for a more consistent, yet lower than max possible, average, median buff value. I'm not sure how it will all work out, but the present situation is dicey enough that I've pretty much resigned myself to just buffing friends or my own characters. Charging high prices because you're using good e-packs and coming up with poor buffs is a sure recipe for unhappy customers, IMO.





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Happymob
Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:17 pm
#6






Davy wrote:

Max charges: 18/14


Mid range: 16/15


Max power: 12/20


With the 12/20 ABEC I was able to craft Stim Bs in the 31/421 range.


With the mid-range ABEC I got 35/409 Stim Bs.


I didn't care to experiment with the Max charges ABEC, figuring I probably will get Stim Bs in the 40/350 range, or maybe with even lower power values, and I didn't want to make and sell anything Stim with less than 400 power. I'm still trying to decide which is better (faster selling) though: 31/421 or 35/409?




Actually, with the max charges ABEC, you would end up with around 37/408. It really is a simple add. +2 charges on the ABEC = +2 charges on the final product. -1 power on the ABEC =-1 power on the final product. There *might* be some decimal places involved (so 18/14 might actually be 18.14/14.12 and 16/15 might actually be 16.87/15.66 or something lke that), but I don't think we've ever seen any direct evidence of decimals involved in subcomponent usage.


Any deviations that you see from that are due to different experimentation results (more or less amazing or good results) and not due to the quality of the ABEC.





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