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neosayberbum

Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:05 pm

Raise harvest amounts.. problem solved..

Basic economics of supply and demand..

possibly - but doubtful.....(I don't think 100 to 200 per creature is coming...ever lol)

All that means is the same person that was paying 400CPU now has 100K of meat instead of 50K of meat....

Not sure what its like on your server - but when people are paying 200 - 400 CPU for Avian on my server in any quantites for weeks at a time it pretty much means they have a endless supply of credits at that moment

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There will still be no price changes because people will just hold on to the meat for a week or two after the spawn and sell it for 300 - 400 CPU.....

Yes there will be more meat available - but the people buying it have endless supplies of money....

it might help a little - but the price will still stay high....

Evildead Diablo - 12 Point Doctor/Swordsman
Jezabel - 12 Point Armorsmith *R.I.S. Certified*/Master Smuggler
Merovingian - Dark Jedi Knight

Ledao

Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:18 pm

#2

Nice post Evildead. I don't agree with a few things that you've said, but you've laid it out nicely.

First, I'll refer you to another thread, where I wrote a fairly detailed cost analysis (including a comparison between docs and armorsmiths). It can be found here:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=doctor&message.id=59139

Now, herb meat. We have 2 usable shifts up now on Valcyn (my only differentiation with herb meat is usable or not usable -- I don't care about the extra 2 or 3 points of power.). I'm offering 60 cpu for any amount of one of them, and 70 cpu for the other. Why do I do that? Well, in order to wind up with enough meat to cover my usage, I need to get as many hunters out there working on it as possible. So I have to pay them well enough that a) they won't go work for a chef or an armorsmith, b) they won't sell it to the other doctors, and c) they don't feel like they could make more money running janta missions on Dant. Sure, the small time docs don't have the cash flow to offer that much for herb meat, but isn't that the idea?

And then avian meat. That's what its all about, isn't it? Avian meat supply is the foremost difference between one doc and another. Again, when its in shift, we have to pay enough to make it worth the hunters' while. And they determine that, not us. Out of shift, pricing (for me at least) is based upon established market value. I know that I can sell a more or less infinite number of packs made with our best-ever meat (and best-ever everything else) for 40-45k per pack. So, I've paid up to 750 cpu for that meat. Although I don't make a whole lot of money when I pay that much for meat, I get to have a vendor stocked with the best packs available on the server. What's that worth? For lesser meats, I havestanding offers ranging from 100 cpuup to 225 cpu. And again, they're based on the prices that I know I can get for packs made with those meats.

I sell packs as cheap as 16k per (or roughly 450 credits per charge, if youprefer to think of it that way)-- with a meat that I paid between 75 and 110 cpu for my supply of. Guess what -- I'm still turning a profit. More so even than that, though, my prices for enhance packs have actually dropped over the last 4-ish months -- in spite of significantly increased costs for meat. Stimpack prices have gone up slightly, and everything else has remained constant.

So, anyway, you're right that meat prices are the fault of the doctors paying them. But this is intrinsic to free markets. Every unit of avian meat that winds up in my factories is a unit of avian meat that my competition doesn't have. Avian meat equals market share, if you'd like. If we get another "best-ever" shift, you can bet I'm going to offer an insane CPU price for it -- both to increase the general supply (and thereby keep auction prices down), and to price some of the competition out of the market.

Alright. I think that about covers it.

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neosayberbum

Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:26 am

#3

I've been reading all this concern over Avian and Herb meat prices as well as non Doctors concerns over the increase or possible increase of buff prices...

My thought is - Us Doctor's are primarly the ones responsible for the crazy meat prices (a little fault does lie with the developers and players)

1st Issue: Herb Meat pricing....

Why in the world would any sane Doctor pay 50CPU+ for Herb Meat? (Ive seen in in the hundreds of CPU on Shadowfire before)

Mid level cheap herb meat (Which you can gather yourself rather quickly or just buy for no more than 5-10 CPU) can hit 50's to mid 60's on your Adv. Chem with good class 4 petro....

Paying 50 CPU+ is just crazy - the most your going to get is maybe (and I mean maybe) a 10 point increase in your buff pack! So in the end it just makes your packs skyrocket in price by paying this much for just a crappy 10 points on your Adv. Chem which equals a 10 point increase on your packs....

2nd Issue: Avian Meat pricing.....

This I feel is where the biggest concern lies - There is really no way around paying an insane amount of CPU for really good Avian (I've paid 400CPU for 15K of great Avian - so I too am to blame)

Biggest problem - If you don't pay an insane amount of CPU than yourcompetition will - plain and simple....

2nd Biggest - Avian is extreamly hard to collect - its usually more profitable for hunters to run missions than to sell meat - I can't really fault the hunters for selling the meat since I know how much of a pain it is to gather. Plus they know there is always a Doc who will pay tons of CPU for great Avian....

How do we solve the problem??? - Honest Answer - We Don't.......

There will always be another Doc or friend of a Doc or a new Doc with tons of credits to blow who want to buy up all the great Avian they can get there hands on....Only way to stop them is to not buy there wares (but if its good I don't blame anyone buying them - and its gonna sell)

I think we can stop the herb meat pricing since a whopping 10 extra points on base doesn't really mean a whole lot in the long run(I hit 2450 with crap herb meat)

Avian - there is no hope at the moment except maybe a hope that the combat revamp will bring enough balance to stop the 30K - 40K solo missions that can be done in a few min top.....that would make gathering a great shift of Avian more valuable than any missions

Only answers I see are we get together as a profession and justrefuse to purchaceAvian at the current price (willnever happen sincethere will always be someone who will see a good buy and ruin it for everyone else byover paying - and that someone doesn't have to be a Doc )

or....we could stage a protest (lol that would be funny) All Doc's refuse to buff for a Month to protest the crazy meat prices (it would work if we all got together - but again someone would mess it up when a good buy comes along in that month) It would be kinda cool to see 80% of the peeps walking around with no buffs again (we would only buff friends and guildies - we couldn't leave them out since I don't charge them anyway)

Last Answer - Increase the buff prices (Which I'm all for) The problem is people are too used to paying around 10K a set - which is fine....and I'm more than happy to charge that if I can pick up supplies for a decent price...So I say - they skyrocket the price - we skyrocket the price.

50K a set or 100K a set?? To much?? Is it really?? Yes it is! but in relation to what the peeps were buffing make in the 3 - 4 hr session its nothing....you can make over 60K in less than 10 min. So in 20 min you paid for your 3hr 45min (and that's just with mission money - not counting any possible loot)

Will it happen (50K - 100K buffs) probably not - I think our services are being sold too low in relation - people will complain - but its ironic that those same people don't complain at the 300K - 500K suits of comp armor they are using to grind when it only cost the Armorsmith maybe 50K - 75K to make - if that.....

So I say - Stop Buffing! Let them try to grind the missions without buffs.....if they beg....charge 50K or tell them to find someone else....Let them know when the prices of meats fall.....we will start buffing again....Public buffing is a pain....and currently our service is a requirement to play this game - if they don't like it.....tell them to be a Doc

Sry for the long post - I'm at work and have nothing better to do at the moment lol

Evildead Diablo - 12 Point Doctor/Swordsman
Jezabel - 12 Point Armorsmith *R.I.S. Certified*/Master Smuggler
Merovingian - Dark Jedi Knight

Menoetius

Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:36 am

#4

I would agree Doctors are about 90% responsible for the price increase and hunters about 10%.

If I need avian badly enough, I will just get it myself. The PA I belong on Lowca has a system that permits the combat professions to assist the crafters with mining and harvesting organic. The system provides them with some credits and points which they can turn into any crafter for items made.

Menoetius / Eryn (12 pt MD/MCM)
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KamaKuro

Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:52 am

#5

Raise harvest amounts.. problem solved..

Basic economics of supply and demand..

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Songe

Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:29 am

#6

I disagree. I couldn't get anyone to go get meat for me at 80 cpu. People do it for money, and doing janta mission is often worth it more than getting avian meat at 80 cpu unfortunately. After that, yes the problem is that docs bid each other up, but the reason why it starts so high has nothing to do with them.

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jthompson02

Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:30 am

#7

And of you all on flurry ? Im a Master Swordsman / Master Doctor and I run like 10k missions, which for me isnt bad...all i have to buy are buffs, armor and weapons. I buy low end buffs (around 1995 per stat) that cost me 9k per pack and 21 uses, I only buff enough people to cover the cost of the buff packs, which means I only have to buff 7 people. After that I have 14 buffs to use for myself and my friend who I always hunt with. Like I said I run allot of 10k missions and do allot of Night Sister hunting. I have a steady supply of money (i can get 200k for a decent crystal) and usally dont have to worry about anything. But when Im on dath and I see those birds I kill them and harvest there avian meat. Seeing as how I am a doctor whos buys my buff packs, I have no use for the meat. So I find someone with a Master Doctor tag (or a master doc in my guild), and sell them the meat. Ive had some really awesome spawns and some really crappy spawns but NEVER EVER has my price gone over 5 cpu. 5 CPU for the current best spawn is a hell of a deal, Im a Doc so I know what its like to here peopel complain about buffing prices, but I feel that my fellow Doctor needs a break and when I can offer them good meat and a cheap price I dont think twice about it.

So if your on flurry send me an email if you need any meat. I dont gather huge quantities (i usally get around 5-10k) but I sell it dirt cheap, im obviously not in it for the money, I do it for fun (gives me something to do) and to help me fellow Doctors.

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UmmonPrime

Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:58 am

#8

Being a master Armorsmith also, I really have no concept of what credits are worth. I see what everyone else is offering to buy for and will usually offer even more. I will get on and my vendor is just loaded with offers. I get what I want and still don't raise prices. No matter what I buy resources for, they always stay the same. I have set my profit margin up to compensate for this. Even told I have some of the best prices on the server.

Trying hard to stop this trend, but competition gets hard sometimes and you need those resources to stay at the top.

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Lofyt

Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:37 am

#9

KamaKuro wrote:
Raise harvest amounts.. problem solved..

Basic economics of supply and demand..

Eh... maybe

Even simpler to me would be to drop the "Avian" and just make it organic... this would not only give Docs more
ranges of stats to pick and choose from, it should also lessen hoarding of Uber-stat resources since almost
always there is more than one organic with similar high-end stats... and it should solve the supply shortage as well.

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Songe

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:59 am

#10

The last thing they will do is make it easier for us to make good buff packs.

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Blutzoll

Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:22 am

#11

i would even pay 200 cpu for good meat.

as long as i can charge 30k for buffs and 100k for buffing jedi.

inflation already is unstoppable

Message Edited by Blutzoll on 07-21-2004 11:22 AM

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