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Thread: Why do my buff packs seem low with what I think are good stats? Please help
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Zephrin
Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:31 am
#1
I've been a doctor in Lowca for quite some time now. I've enjoyed reading this forum and learning more about the challenges we doctors face and some of the reasonings on why some docs do the things they do. While there are some with very extreme ideas, I like the fact that there is often very helpful information so that's why I'm turning to you, my fellow docs, for help.
I am by no means an uber doctor. I don't have the best of the best like some of my fellow docs in Lowca have or even in other galaxies. But I think I have some good stuff (again not the best, but good). One thing about doctor I seem to enjoy is crafting. I like mixing different components together and seeing what comes out. So based on my inventory I make the following sub components for my buff packs:
ABEC {22 charges / 11 power}
ASDS {64 power}
ACRDM {65 power}
Now that leaves my reactive gas and my avian meat. My reactive gas has an OQ of 988 and a DR of 768 or something like that. Again not bad stuff in my opinion. So it must be my avian. The avian looks ok though. Its a recent spawn on Lowca. It's OQ is 929, PE 610 and DR 934. But when I make my buff packs (only a 10 point experimenter) they only seem to come out to a base of 822. Isn't that a little low? I was hoping for something in the 860 range? Have I just missed something or is it the PE in the avian meat that has brought it down that much, despite the other stats?
Any thoughts you can give is much appreciated.
Thanks!
HuntinHeads
Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:37 am
#2
That actually sounds about right. Look at your PE of your meat, combined with the fact that you are missing the extra 2 experimentation points the uber docs use, and you have your answers. 822 base packs are not bad at all. Add d2 more experimentation points and they get 850+. I wouldn't complain about 822 buffs. Unless you PVP, those will do nicely. Don't let anyone tell you other wise either. Customers' hunt for uber buffs to PvE is just dumb.
Obata
Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:44 am
#3
The weak link is the PE of the meat. The PE of the avian is just as important as the OQ. This is because the reactive gas has no PE, thereby effectively doubling the weight of the avian's PE in the formula. When you look at different avian spawns, consider OQ and PE to be equal in importance (in terms of effetiveness). If you're maxxing out the effectiveness line, then getting more experimentation points won't help you. They will just let you experiement of ease of use and/or charges.
Marrow1
Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:46 am
#4
ya, the PE on the Avian is killing you.
As a rule of thumb to get a 900 pack you need 900/900 on OQ and PE on the avian. Every hundred below 900 on PE will will drop you by about 25 points on the pack. So your 600 PE avian (900 - 600)/100 * 25 = 75 will drop you off about 75 points from 900 on the buff pack (ie 825).
This rule of thumb assumes your
gas OQ is ~ 900
ASDS 70
ACRDM 60
ABEC 20 charge, 10 power or there abouts.
It is also true for the OQ on the avian.
For example, if you OQ/PE on the avian was 800/800 then you would be looking at about a 850 pack.
You can get fancier with the math but in my experience all the other subs I can make in mass at about the same stats. So the only true variable I am ever faced with is the Avian.
Marrow1
Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:48 am
#5
Oh, and by the way, extra experimention points will not add to your final power. 10 points is all you need to max out the power/duration line. Any extra points you may have will only be usable to exp down the med use or add ot charges.
I too am of the opinion that a 825 pack is a solid pack. Heck, 9 times out of 10 I buff my self with a 800 pack and do not use bivoli.
HuntinHeads
Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:57 am
#6
Yeah, since I don't have one of those cool edit button things, I'm just gonna post again to make sure everyone knows I'm a dork,
Marrow is 100% right about the 10 points being able to max power. But still, extra points are nice to have! 
Good luck.
"OH..... Biker! Ehh, I'm an idiot!"
AbstractDreamz
Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:04 am
#7
Im having similiar problems except my buffs come out to 7k duration and 730 Power . My components seem like they are all good.....
. My components seem like they are all good.....ASDS - 71 Power
ABEC - 21 Power - 13 Charges
ACDRM - 64 Power
Im pretty sure it has something to do with the reactive gas or the avain meat I am using....but Im not 100% sure....heres the stats on my avian and reactive....
Reactive
308 DR
963 OQ
Avian ( best we have at the moment)
214 DR
483 FL
995 PE
358 OQ
What should be the minimum properties that I should use???? Any help at all will be greatly appreciated.
LordVisivius
Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:39 am
#8
AbstractDreamz wrote:
Im having similiar problems except my buffs come out to 7k duration and 730 Power
ASDS - 71 Power
ABEC - 21 Power - 13 Charges
ACDRM - 64 Power
Im pretty sure it has something to do with the reactive gas or the avain meat I am using....but Im not 100% sure....heres the stats on my avian and reactive....
Reactive
308 DR
963 OQ
Avian ( best we have at the moment)
214 DR
483 FL
995 PE
358 OQ
What should be the minimum properties that I should use???? Any help at all will be greatly appreciated.
As stated in the above posts, the OQ and PE are equally important on the avian meat...you want >900 on both PE and OQ.
AbstractDreamz
Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:05 pm
#9
Ok changed charges around on BEC and got 21-13 in favor of charges......I got 29 uses on my buffs now but same duration. Im guessing I misunderstood and that I need to actually have better DR on teh meat.....But will high DR on the gas help at all?
Menoetius
Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:53 pm
#10
AbstractDreamz wrote:
Ok changed charges around on BEC and got 21-13 in favor of charges......I got 29 uses on my buffs now but same duration. Im guessing I misunderstood and that I need to actually have better DR on teh meat.....But will high DR on the gas help at all?
Yes a higher DR in the meat will help. Yes a high DR on the gas helps. The pack uses the DR of both the meat and gas in the calculation of the duration.
Zephrin
Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:41 pm
#11
Thanks a lot for you input on this. I'd forgotten how the Avian PE played such a large roll in the buff packs. So I guess that's where the difficulty is. I also thank you for the commendation on the 822 packs. I guess when you are used to making and only providing 850+ buff packs, you forget that if it's a little bit lower it doesn't mean they are worthless :-) True some may not buyor use mine, but I'm sure they'll be others who will find a use in Lowca nonetheless.
So thanks again!
neosayberbum
Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:05 am
#12
Im having similiar problems except my buffs come out to 7k duration and 730 Power . My components seem like they are all good.....
ASDS - 71 Power
ABEC - 21 Power - 13 Charges
ACDRM - 64 Power
Im pretty sure it has something to do with the reactive gas or the avain meat I am using....but Im not 100% sure....heres the stats on my avian and reactive....
Reactive
308 DR
963 OQ
Avian ( best we have at the moment)
214 DR
483 FL
995 PE
358 OQ
What should be the minimum properties that I should use???? Any help at all will be greatly appreciated.
Okay the best thing you can do is just wait for a better spawn - don't waste your adv componets on that gas and avian combo......
The Gas is good for power but keep in mind if you will need at least 900 DR on the avian to get a 3hr pack....so with that level DR that's why your at 7k duration....
and power yeh...its the OQ of that avian that is killing you and getting you 730 power.....
AbstractDreamz
Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:19 am
#13
Ok I got some new avian meat at a steep price, it has
846 PE
932 OQ
245 dr
And the new gas Im using is
659 dr
918 oq
I got my buffs to 847 power but still low on the time with only 2hrs 38 minutes.
Should I change the charges around on my abec's for more charges, or will that have a significant drop in power?
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