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Thread: Removal of Healer Agro
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Oss_Wilum
Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:19 pm
#1
I know probably every doctor would like this, so i probably won't get many negative opinions on this subject, but honestly, i think this was one of the worst ideas to come with the CU.
As a Jedi who goes into the DWB as often as i can, i and the rest of my group relies heavily on the power of doctors and CMs to get us through, however, because of the ridiculous amount of hate generated by heals, i can wail on something for 20 seconds, then one heal and the SBD or whatever switches targets and goes for the medic who was occupied with keeping everyone else alive.
either removing healer hate, severely increasing the amount of hate a tanker can get on him/herself, or drastically lowering the healer hate recieved by performing such actions seems way past due and could only help the game especially at higher spectrum PvE levels.
Zimal
Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:46 pm
#2
have your medic control their agro better.... but if your seriusly 'wailing' on something for half a minute then they toss 1 heal and draw agro from you means 1 of 2 things....
1) they used spray
2) you need to manage your own agro
it is the medic's job to keep everyone in party healthy while drawing as little hate as possible and keeping himself alive...
it is the tank's(In this case Jedi) job to keep the agro off the healer by anymeans they have.... or to kill stuff fast enough where the healer can keep up with the damage....
of coarse the number 1 above is asuming they only used 1 heal in that half a minute then spray would definatly draw the agro...
TenshiHanaKinu
Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:10 pm
#3
Tell your Medics to try more single heals instead of Improved Advanced Area Taunt a.k.a. Bacta Spray
Oss_Wilum
Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:04 pm
#4
TenshiHanaKinu wrote:
Tell your Medics to try more single heals instead of Improved Advanced Area Taunt a.k.a. Bacta Spray
they weren't using sprays, but maybe if dominate mind or taunt worked worth a damn i could manage the agro.
johnnyboy827
Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:33 pm
#5
Without healer agro, healers can just heal the person being attacked, forever without worrying about dying...
Just have to deal with the agro, it has been decreased.
Oss_Wilum
Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:19 pm
#6
johnnyboy827 wrote:
Without healer agro, healers can just heal the person being attacked, forever without worrying about dying...
Just have to deal with the agro, it has been decreased.
just like pre-cu. wasn't bad at all imo.
quitch
Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:45 am
#7
tbh, if your medic is taking agro by single healing, you need to rethink your damage dealing in the DWB...
Cetto
Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:01 am
#8
QFE
quitch wrote:
tbh, if your medic is taking agro by single healing, you need to rethink your damage dealing in the DWB...
Bisola
Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:37 am
#9
quitch wrote:tbh, if your medic is taking agro by single healing, you need to rethink your damage dealing in the DWB...
Pretty much. A decently put together group should be able to slice through even SBDs in twenty seconds or less.
TenshiHanaKinu
Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:49 am
#10
Well it really depends... sometimes I have to tone my healing down because even though the person's taken out 50% of the enemy's Health, the minute I toss that 1900pt Heal over there it'll run straight at me. That's why I have my regular heals on one tab, and my Enhancers on another.
XwingRogue3
Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:35 am
#11
Zimal wrote:have your medic control their agro better.... but if your seriusly 'wailing' on something for half a minute then they toss 1 heal and draw agro from you means 1 of 2 things....
1) they used spray
2) you need to manage your own agro
it is the medic's job to keep everyone in party healthy while drawing as little hate as possible and keeping himself alive...
it is the tank's(In this case Jedi) job to keep the agro off the healer by anymeans they have.... or to kill stuff fast enough where the healer can keep up with the damage....
of coarse the number 1 above is asuming they only used 1 heal in that half a minute then spray would definatly draw the agro...
Exactly, by doing my job as healing my group I should limit my heals to them so I don't get attacked, yet keep them all healed up. That makes absolutely no sense. The current agro system for docs is stupid and your "manage your own agro" argument is just as stupid. There is no logical reason at all to how the current system is for an animal to attack me. I don't show any signs of aggression to it whereas my buddy is shooting it in the head, yet it chooses to attack me. Explain how that makes any sense even for game mechanics.
Zimal
Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:56 pm
#12
XwingRogue3 wrote:
Exactly, by doing my job as healing my group I should limit my heals to them so I don't get attacked, yet keep them all healed up. That makes absolutely no sense. The current agro system for docs is stupid and your "manage your own agro" argument is just as stupid. There is no logical reason at all to how the current system is for an animal to attack me. I don't show any signs of aggression to it whereas my buddy is shooting it in the head, yet it chooses to attack me. Explain how that makes any sense even for game mechanics.
Thanks for choseing my post, which i thought was pretty simple to understand to attempt and rip apart 
but what i mean by managing your own agro is for instance, ok, is it time to throw that heal or do i wait...
but let's get to the main point of your return argument... what draw's hate...
ok... i'm gonna go on a simple method of explanation...
for every 1 point of damage you deal, you gain 1 hate on that mob
that's the simple part
now for healing hate, it's for every 2 points you heal you gain 1 hate...
now where this starts getting tricky is, you gain 1 point of hate on EVERY mob enganged with the heal target
and i won't go into spray right now cause that will just confuse you....
so let's say your entire group is fighting, even the medic is shooting it...
the medic toss's a heal on the tank and the mob attacks the medic, even though the tank has done enough to hold agro under normal circumstances...
why did the medic get agro... because his hate equaled a total of how much damage he personaly delt the mob + 1/2 for total amount healed on the tank
so pretty much, you gain 1 hate for every 2 points healed which adds to your total hate on that mob... it isn't a different stat or anything, it's in same area....
so if you want your medic to draw less agro... tell them to only heal... if they are cm... tell them to heal and debuff/dot if doc tell em to buff/cure....
also i believe their is a nicely written guide someowhere on these boards that does a cleaner job of explaining then what i just said....
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