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Thread: Questions for new Doc who wants to craft his own buffs
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M-Oldie
Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:47 am
#1
I really don't like buying the packs, but when It was a quick way to gain the money needed for the resources. Anyway, I wanted to start creating my own buffs and have a few questions.
First question on the ASDS... I have the following resources:
Dov Iron... DR: 810 OQ: 996 UT: 826
Oats... DR: 935 OQ: 931 PE: 663 or I can use 723/940/838... any idea which is better?
I'm hoping with 10-points I can make 72+ with these. Do I experiment on Durability or Effectiveness? Does it matter?
Second on the ACRDM... I only have the Class 4, no herb meat and the prices for any good stuff on my server are terrible.
Can I make non-advanced versions and how ill this affect the final buff packs?
I can gather the rest of the resources. If I canmake some 14power/20charge ABEC's, how do you think the final product will turn out?
Using current avian (PITA to collect) spawn of 741/905/301 (DR/OQ/PE)
Thanks for the help!
Songe
Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:54 am
#2
You should wait.
For your ASDS, the second oats will be better. You can only experiment on effectiveness so DR doesn't matter.
For the ACRDM, you will lose about 30-45 power on your packs. It's not really a big deal, but I would wait until you get a good herbivore meat spawn.
Your avian meat is terrible though, you would prolly get some 700 packs at best, the PE is way too low. I would wait for a better spawn too.
What are the stats on your gas?
Happymob
Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:00 am
#3
M-Oldie wrote:
First question on the ASDS... I have the following resources:
Dov Iron... DR: 810 OQ: 996 UT: 826
Oats... DR: 935 OQ: 931 PE: 663 or I can use 723/940/838... any idea which is better?
I'm hoping with 10-points I can make 72+ with these. Do I experiment on Durability or Effectiveness? Does it matter?
The second one is better. DR doesn't matter on the subcomponents. The basic formula for an ASDD is (Iron OQ + Oats OQ + Oats PE)/3.
Do with the iron and better oats you should reach about 92.5% of max. ASDDs go from 10 to 75, so I would expect you to hit 70 with those resources.
Second on the ACRDM... I only have the Class 4, no herb meat and the prices for any good stuff on my server are terrible.
Can I make non-advanced versions and how ill this affect the final buff packs?
Let's say you can make a perfect CDRM. That's 20 power. Let's say you can make an average ACDRM. 500/500 Class 4 and 500/500 Herbivore (which shouldn't be too expensive) would produce a 42 power ACDRM. That's 22 power more on the final pack, or 50 or so on the actual buff. Critical? Perhaps not, but you can get some extra power without breaking the bank. This is a case where I think it's worth going for the mediocre ACDRM.
I can gather the rest of the resources. If I canmake some 14power/20charge ABEC's, how do you think the final product will turn out?
Using current avian (PITA to collect) spawn of 741/905/301 (DR/OQ/PE)
How good is your reactive gas?
Agent001
Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:11 am
#4
this is one of the issues I havewith the current buff system
most Docs have set such an incredibly high standard, that nothing less than perfect will do. The difference between a 2000 buff, a 2200 buff and a 2400 buff practically speaking, is not very much, yet there is a huge price premium on buffs that can reach just a few hundred points higher. Is an extra 300 points really worth all the extra time and money that go into crafting a 875-900 power buff pack?. I think maybe I need to make a focus discussion thread regarding this, and see what other peoples opinions are.
Here is my opinion:
1. If your going to use these buffs just for you and your friends, then the current resources should be adequate to craft buffs close to 775-800 in strength (assuming you have 900 oq gas). Using a Med droid, BE clothes, and some bivoli, you should have no problem getting 2000 point buffs
2. If you plan on selling buffs in the street, you will most likely be outclased by more established Docs. You can still set up in an area away from other Docs and still make some sales. I would definetly set a lower price than the majority of Docs to help attract customers.
byak
Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:14 am
#5
Buy ANY herb meat you can get in quantities of ~2k or higher. (Or any quantities at all of any herb meat that is currently spawning on heavily hunted planets such as Dantooine.) I buy even the crappiest herb meat (we had some OQ 1 PE 300 stuff on dant a few weeks ago) and people would happily sell it to me for 5cpu. Even the most godawful quality beats the hell out of non-advanced subs. (Note: I only use said crappy ACRDMs in stim Bs for resale, going this way for buffs over the long term is a bad idea. Over the short term, it will make your buffs stronger while you wait for a better herb meat that you can get your hands on to spawn.)
M-Oldie
Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:41 am
#6
Thanks for all the responses. Looks like I'm moving my flora farm...
I don't have the Gas yet, I figured i could probably buy some of that, current server spans are not good. Any stat better than any other on the gas?
I have a couple of herb meat options right now. OQ/PE/DR of 758/608/619 (from Dant - should be a lot available) or 985/240/376. I have an old spawn of petro at 994/186/392. Any thoughts on what I can reach with that?
For the organic on the action I have some corn with 916/968/252. Is the low DR going to affect that? I'm going to try and match the stats to the others, so I din't think it would be a problem.
I have another avian option at 919/776/135. Takes forever to harvest though, max critter gives is 10. At least I can take missions for it. Might take about a week to gather enough...
Thanks!
jassi007
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:04 am
#7
one thing to watch for is the DR on your gas. I just hit master doc as well, and crafted my first round of buffs. They came out 803-813 power, but my health buff is being really stubborn at 6900 duration. I used low DR avian and gas on that one, saw how bad it was, then switched to a better avian. I only had a bit of it though, so I'm stuck with a set of buffs with 10k duration and one with 6900. GRRR. Thats what happens from having DR3 avian and DR318 gas.
Songe
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:33 am
#8
What I would do before starting making tons of components etc, is just make 10 of each components and make some tests. Then you can see if what you get is good enough for you or not.
Marrow1
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:48 am
#9
With these resouces you will hit in about 750-800 power on your packs mostly due to the low PE on your avain.
With this power pack and some bivoli you will hit in about the 2100 power mark. I am with Agent and fully believe this more than enough buff for 95% of this game.
With this buff, some brandy, Ubese armor, and a fight class you can do Janta missions till the cows come home and make more money per hr than the buffing for cash docs without having to take any crap from customers who will tell you that your buffs are not as good as Dr So-N-So's.
Make a bunch of cash and when some better meat spawns, if you still really want to buff for cash or sell buffs, then get all the new avian you can.
Faek
Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:48 pm
#10
I have only been a Master Doctor for about 6 months but, here is my simple and short advice. When making high end Meds you need high end components. don't mix a few killer resources with average or worse ones. Sit on your best materials great buffs took me 5 months to craft.
By great I mean 2600-2800 a stat
By great I mean 2600-2800 a stat
Zaax
Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:01 am
#11
i just gave up trying to craft my own buff packs.
i cant make them as high as the proffesonal crafters.i even wasted about20 janta bloods by now trying to make myslf a few over 1000 power ones. nada - i managedone single997 action pack, all the rest of the bloods were wasted on moderate success's or criticle failers.
so i made some good runs of all the advanced componenets to make all my stims and heals packs, and the enhance packsi just buy now. (i just bougt a set of 5 on ahazi for 630k, about 915/30 .)
Unique_Handle
Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:40 am
#12
Zaax wrote:i just gave up trying to craft my own buff packs.i cant make them as high as the proffesonal crafters. i even wasted about 20 janta bloods by now trying to make myslf a few over 1000 power ones. nada - i managed one single 997 action pack, all the rest of the bloods were wasted on moderate success's or criticle failers.so i made some good runs of all the advanced componenets to make all my stims and heals packs, and the enhance packs i just buy now. (i just bougt a set of 5 on ahazi for 630k, about 915/30 .)
First of all, I'm on Ahazi too, and I sell my 904/30 buffs with a duration of 12810 (3h37min) for 17,5K a pack.
If you buy 3 or more full sets, I charge 100K for a full set, so buying them from me would have saved you about 130K (vendor in my sig - I return the difference by banktip if anyone buys three or more full sets).
Secondly, this is the first time I make buffpacks. I don't think 904/30 with 12810duration is bad at all for being the first run I make
I can actually get the power up to 907 with the new ABECs I have now.
So, I think it is completly possible to beat the establish docs.. I'm only a 10point doc, but my buffpacks will compete with the best on the server.
I make 65power ACRD's and ASDD's, and I buy my 22/16 ABECs for a decent price from a 12-point doc (he makes me the schematics if I buy the resources from him).
With my 10 points, I max out power on the buffpacks. Because the ABECs are excellent, the missing two points in charges go un-noticed
Sure it cost me 3mill to get started, but I do think its fun, and I have a large order that should get me my entire investment back.
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