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Thread: Medicine Experimentation CAs still worth anything?

Arajl
Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:14 pm
#1

Just looted a +10 on Ahazi, not sure if the CU is making these worthless or not. Anybody have any ideas?



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Eskie
Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:20 am
#2

Nope, not worth a cookie. Just give it to me, vendor location in sig.

No, seriously: BE will use medical experimentation post-CU for the medical crafting, and more than likely for pet and additive crafting also. But then again, most BEs are not uber rich...



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zelp
Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:50 am
#3

I have seen Med-Exp for like 500k per point the last time i checked the Chimaera Galaxy Trade. So i think 4-6 Millions, depending on your server.

As above: Medic and BE will be able to use Med. Exp.



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ZeroK0ol
Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:51 am
#4

hold on to it, its a gamble, but if medicines still take 'med experiamentation' when the CU goes live, you may just find some BIO engineers who want to dabble, and to compete in that market, you have to have the tapes.



or you could sell it now, but i wouldnt expect more that 1mil per point, IF that.


id actually start an auction for 4-5 mil and let it go at this point. but remember, this isnt a trade forum and prices vary server to server



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Arajl
Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:39 pm
#5

Hrm I got a 5mil offer on it, I may take it if I cant get any more offers. Thanks for the info guys.



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Eskie
Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:04 pm
#6

If I were you, I wouldnt sell the SEA right now. There is a lot of uncertainty around concerning the CU, so people rather save their cash, since cash is guaranteed to remain valueable, which resources and items currently are not. Since medical experimentation will still be in use post-CU, I would wait till more people are willing to spend their money again. This will happen as soon as their is enough info out for people to make decisions which use of their cash will get them the most benefit.
The CA you are talking about would have sold for about 15 to 20 million about 4 weeks ago on Ahazi, but currently not many people are willing to spend that much. So the few that still spend money will offer below value, since they dont have a lot of competitors that also want to buy the item.



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Ojes
Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:37 pm
#7

Of course, there is also the real possibility that either:


A) The new BE crafting will notbe affected bymedicine experimentation tapes (I hope not, but I have not heard anyone in TC verify that they have looted one and applied it successfully).


B) There may be a glut of med crafting suits going on the market shortly after the CU goes live fromthe subset offormer doctors who no longer need to craft their own meds and would rather use their 28 free skill points on combat skills.


Either one of those possibilities would generally devalue the skill tape that you have, and (as Eskie said) cash in hand will not be devalued come CU. My advice is to go ahead and sell it now...



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Eskie
Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:05 pm
#8

And now somebody is in trouble because contradicting advice has been given

There has not been a looted medical experimentation tape in the CU test server to my knowledge, either. But since currently it says "medical experimentation" on the SEA and the devs changed "Bio-Engineer experimentation" into "medical experimentation", which will be applied to all BE products, I do not expect this tape to become useless. This is the common belief in the BE and doc communities, and BEs are not happy with having to play the 12pt game.

I dont expect a huge sale of doc experimentation suits, anybody having one is a serious crafter and will take up BE 0004, as MD / BE 0004 wont cost more skill points than MD currently. Moreover, since BEs will want these tapes to be able to craft on the same level as current 12pt docs moving over to BE, there will eventually be an increase in demand for these tapes I guess.

But then again, this is pure speculation - I am buying those tapes cheap, but I dont have 5 million to spare



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Ojes
Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:11 pm
#9






Eskie wrote:
And now somebody is in trouble because contradicting advice has been given

There has not been a looted medical experimentation tape in the CU test server to my knowledge, either. But since currently it says "medical experimentation" on the SEA and the devs changed "Bio-Engineer experimentation" into "medical experimentation", which will be applied to all BE products, I do not expect this tape to become useless. This is the common belief in the BE and doc communities, and BEs are not happy with having to play the 12pt game.

I dont expect a huge sale of doc experimentation suits, anybody having one is a serious crafter and will take up BE 0004, as MD / BE 0004 wont cost more skill points than MD currently. Moreover, since BEs will want these tapes to be able to craft on the same level as current 12pt docs moving over to BE, there will eventually be an increase in demand for these tapes I guess.

But then again, this is pure speculation - I am buying those tapes cheap, but I dont have 5 million to spare





One correction: Novice BE still requires Scout-Hunting 4 in Test Center, so the template you mentioned would cost 29 extra skill points over MD today.


I know that the original CU docs did not mention the Scout-Hunting 4 prereq, but it also did not state the absence of that requirement as clearly as the changes to other prereqs. I suspect that the hunting 4 prereq is as designed and it will not be changing prior to live. After reading some of the BE threads recently, I am beginning to understand their desire to see the exploration branch become a prereq since the profession really requires the mask scent ability for their field-work.


Only time will tell, but I think there are serious choices to be made between crafter/doc/combat abilities for pharmacists come CU.



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Eskie
Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:22 pm
#10

Yup, one line of scout is currently still a prereq for BE, and it is a know issue the correspondent brought up to the devs. No word from them yet, though, at least not in public. Until they dont say it is as intended, I assume it to be a bug and base my points on the published CU docs, which said the only prereq for BE will be medic 0004 post-CU.



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Ojes
Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:55 am
#11






Eskie wrote:
Yup, one line of scout is currently still a prereq for BE, and it is a know issue the correspondent brought up to the devs. No word from them yet, though, at least not in public. Until they dont say it is as intended, I assume it to be a bug and base my points on the published CU docs, which said the only prereq for BE will be medic 0004 post-CU.






Eskie,


I believe we are both basing our assumptions on the same document (the one linked on the main forum page that Tiggs published on 03/29. In it, there is a link toCharacter Healing and Related Profession Changes


In that document, here are the ways that it lays out the prereqs of Doctor, Combat Medic, and Bio-Engineer:


Doctor Profession Changes

Pre-requisites change: from master medic to general healing line and pre-doctor line.


Combat Medic Profession Changes

Pre-requisites change: from master medic and marksman ranged support 4 to general healing line, pre-combat medic line, and marksman ranged support 4.


Bio-Engineer Profession Changes


Pre-requisite: novice medic crafting line.



The fact that they formatted the Bio-Engineer pre-requisites differently than Doctor and Combat Medic tells me that they did so for a reason. If they intended novice medic crafting line to be the only pre-req, they should have been consistent and said:


Pre-requisites change: from novice medic crafting line andscout hunting4 tonovice medic crafting line.


I believe they either knewwhat they were doing and just didn't want to make it fully known, or are still debating the valid arguments that BEs have about changing the requirement from hunting 4 to exploration 4 as well as the novice medic crafting line.


Just my interpretation of the information given. You may have read it differently. Only time will tell what actually goes live (though I support the exploration requirement personally)...




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QuiGonWindu
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:54 pm
#12






Ojes wrote:

Of course, there is also the real possibility that either:


A) The new BE crafting will notbe affected bymedicine experimentation tapes (I hope not, but I have not heard anyone in TC verify that they have looted one and applied it successfully).


B) There may be a glut of med crafting suits going on the market shortly after the CU goes live fromthe subset offormer doctors who no longer need to craft their own meds and would rather use their 28 free skill points on combat skills.


Either one of those possibilities would generally devalue the skill tape that you have, and (as Eskie said) cash in hand will not be devalued come CU. My advice is to go ahead and sell it now...






or...


C) The Devs will introduce a 3rd type of tape... call it "Bio-Engineer Experimentation" ... into the game. This would have 2 effects: 1) all existing Medical Experimentation CAs would be rendered useless and Docs/CMs would get screwed again (see 30k resource veteran reward) ... and 2) Docs, CMs AND BEs would now be on a level playing field, all having to acquire the "new" CAs from scratch.


NOTE: this is JUST speculation. I have no credible information that this is/would/couldever happen! I just pulled it from my a$$ as a 3rd possibility





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