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Thread: Stim Bs... Charges or power?

Songe
Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:01 pm
#1

I have faced a dilemna lately. I made some 44/422 Stim Bs, then kept reading on the forums of people selling 38/450 Stim Bs. For me it's no doubt that 6 charges are more valuable than 30 power, yet everyone else seems to disagree...


What have you noticed from your customers, and what do you personally go for? I am currently preparing a new batch of stims and I'm still unsure if I should experiment on power charges or all on power... Thanks in advance for the feedback.



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Blue-Quick
Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:04 pm
#2

I get 400 on power. Then exp on charges after that. I don't use Adv Chm Rel in stim B's unless it's a special order. Adv Chem Rel add 25k to the cost of a crate of stim B's.


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Arcdischarge
Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:16 pm
#3

38-450 > 44-422


In terms of what you can sell them for. The customers buying these are into PvP and honestly don't really care about charges, they want max power. It's not rational necessarily but if u could get up to 450 by giving up 6 or less charges, definitely do so. It's usuallyworth giving up charges to reach a milestone like 400 or 450 power. Try putting 10 crates or so of each on your vendor for the same price and watch what sells.





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Ledao
Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:46 pm
#4

If your choice were really between 44/422 and 38/450, then sure, go with the 450s. Problem is, that isn't your choice... 44/422 uses what, a 24 charge 10-12 power aBEC? Switch it to max power -- 24 power 12-14 charge, since power tends to max out a bit easier... Now your 44/422 stim is a 34/436 stim, at best. Is 14 power worth 12 charges?


Not to me... Or to the people (almost all pvp'ers) who buy stims from me...


Of course, your actual mileage may vary...


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Okin_Sin
Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:28 am
#5

I just make the abec's for charges, then on the final combine go for as much power as possible. Its a lot cheaper to get charges out of your abec, then trying to get em out of the stim combine.
mcglonec
Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:10 pm
#6

The key here is to remember who it is that's buying these things. Stim B's aren't used by highly qualified medics. Rather, they're used by people that have Novice Medic and little (if anything) more. Therefore, these Stims are used by people that don't get great bonuses to injury treatment like you or I do. As such, they really need all the power they can get.


I found that my best sellers included stims in which I experimented the ABEC's for charges and the stim itself for power. That gives your final stim a nice number of charges (from the ABEC), but it gives it enough power to make it attractive to your customers.


And, never forget that a lot of the folks out there aren't always very bright. They look at power and, quite often, don't even look at charges. I used to have people ask me what the power on my packs were and, based on that, I could make a sale. Not once did they ask about the number of charges.






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Cravyn
Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:56 pm
#7

I just wanted to add one more thing.


I'm sure that you make more than just stim B's for sale. The answer i have to this is this...i use ABEC's for more than just making stim B's for the masses. As any Master Doctor will tell you ABECs are the most used componet that we deal with. Personally, i'm not going to go out of my way for a 20 point gain in maxpower at the loss of 5-6 charges and make 2 diff batches of ABECs when i have 3 other runs of componets to do as well as the intended items. ABECsare more than just for Stim B's, we use them for Enhance packs.


Now based on the random range of buffs (just like stims)answer me this, would you rather have an Enhance pack- D thats 22uses/878base/12864dur or one thats 29uses/850base/12600dur?


My point is just do what you are comfortable with. No matter what, a stim B over 400 baseheal will sell quickly so make the componets the way it will benefit you the most. Whatever way that may be.





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Songe
Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:41 pm
#8

Thanks for the input.


I always max the charges on the ABEC, my main issue was really to know if i should experiment for charges or power for the stims. I guess that I should go for power then, the customer is always right



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Cravyn
Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:45 am
#9

I have battled with this question myself. Here is my thought s on this-


a 44/422 stim B has a heal potential of 18568 (charges x base heal = heal potential)


a 38/450 stim B has a heal potential of 17100


So based on the Numbers the 44/422 is a better stim but yet most people still just look at the base heal only. When you take into account that all heals are of random range and rarely are the stims used to their full healing potential (ie stim can hit for 850 but only have 650 of dmg to heal) then to the logical person more charges would be better. So once again the 44/422 is a better stim.


i say just make them the way you want, regardless, a stim B over 400 will always sell fast. The people who only look at the base heal and do not take into account the charges are the same ones that will pay 30k more for a pistol with 1.7 speed than a pistol of same dmg but with 1.8 speed just cause its faster.


Personally i go for charges with my ABEC's because the power just doesn't seem to make a big enough impact on the final outcome. You can gainmore power in other areas much easier.





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