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Thread: Who was right?
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Dreamslayer
Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:51 am
#1
I logged in at the starport and saw some master docs buffing. I really didn't feel like getting set up to buff myself and then fending off tells explaining that I wasn't really buffing the public. So I went up to a Master doc and said, publicly, "Hi. Stats, please?". She then sends me a tell saying "Just tip me what you think is fair after I'm done," and she's off to the races. First buff hits and I say, publicly, again, "Hang on there, a sec." She says, "Dont' be shy, come closer," and proceeds to buff me. Now I got lucky in that this girl's buffs were good, but when she said "Just tip me what you think is fair" I immediately thought the buff was going to come in at 2300 or so. And I was pissed that I was sort of locked into paying this woman for buffs, that 1) may or may not be better than the buffs I give myself, and 2) could not be overridden.
I waited for her to finish, tipped 10k which is exactly what I charge for a full set of that strength at duration. Then said, publicly, "Nice little system you've got there. You buff first then people kind of have to pay, don't they?" She laughed. I told her I could do as well just buffing myself and left.
She sent me a tell asking me if I didn't want buffed in the first place. I said I did, but that I wanted to know her stats up front and when she didn't answer me it seemed slightly evasive. I apologized if I seemed abrasive and explained that it was probably just because I'm used to people doing it a certain way and I've probably gotten it into my head that that's the "Only" way. I told her it was not a huge deal and that her buffs were very good.
She didn't respond but bank tipped me my 10k back. At this point I was a thousand meters away with only 10k in bank (I keep all my credits in cash so I can keep track of them easier). Therefore, I couldn't bank tip her the 10k and since I was already headed out, I didn't bother going back to cash tip her. I figure I was polite enough under the circumstances but still made my point and if she wants to get angry about it and tip my 10k back to me, that's her loss.
Who's right in this scenario and who's wrong? I feel like maybe I was the one who was wrong, given that she felt compelled to give me my money back. I can just see this kind of thing turning into standard practice. Suppose one master doc is buffing for higher stats and a longer duration and so the doc next to him is cagey about his/her own stats and just buffs away, and people like me feel obligated to pay for the service though if they had all the information they would have gone to someone else.
What do you guys think?
I waited for her to finish, tipped 10k which is exactly what I charge for a full set of that strength at duration. Then said, publicly, "Nice little system you've got there. You buff first then people kind of have to pay, don't they?" She laughed. I told her I could do as well just buffing myself and left.
She sent me a tell asking me if I didn't want buffed in the first place. I said I did, but that I wanted to know her stats up front and when she didn't answer me it seemed slightly evasive. I apologized if I seemed abrasive and explained that it was probably just because I'm used to people doing it a certain way and I've probably gotten it into my head that that's the "Only" way. I told her it was not a huge deal and that her buffs were very good.
She didn't respond but bank tipped me my 10k back. At this point I was a thousand meters away with only 10k in bank (I keep all my credits in cash so I can keep track of them easier). Therefore, I couldn't bank tip her the 10k and since I was already headed out, I didn't bother going back to cash tip her. I figure I was polite enough under the circumstances but still made my point and if she wants to get angry about it and tip my 10k back to me, that's her loss.
Who's right in this scenario and who's wrong? I feel like maybe I was the one who was wrong, given that she felt compelled to give me my money back. I can just see this kind of thing turning into standard practice. Suppose one master doc is buffing for higher stats and a longer duration and so the doc next to him is cagey about his/her own stats and just buffs away, and people like me feel obligated to pay for the service though if they had all the information they would have gone to someone else.
What do you guys think?
Imoe
Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:10 am
#2
If your buff stats were higher you coul have buffed over her stats!
I dont really understand why your being so whiney?
Especially as the poor girl was being nice saying tip what you want, if you werent happy with a low level buff any other doc with a higher power pack could have reapplied.
Imoe
jassi007
Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:10 am
#3
I think if someone presumed to buff me before a price was established, and said what she said, I'd have told them, well I buff myself for free, so free is a fair price. See once they give the buff, they've put themselves out on a limb, where your not really obligated to pay a damn thing. Same thing with entertainers. If entertainers only started playing after someone tipped, then they'd have some cash in there pockets. But they all want the xp so bad, they just play.
Marrow1
Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:15 am
#4
I have done what she was doing. Just for fun. Kinda breaks up the same old thing. I was hitting for 2.4k for about 3+hrs so I new no one would **edit** about a bad buff and I just wanted to see what people would pay. It was a blast.
Like her, when some one asked for the stats I just said "No worries, if you don't like it don't pay, Just tip what ya like". It was the best time buffing I have had in a long time. I made about the same cash (some people loved the risk factor and tipped very well, some thought they were getting away with simething and did not tip at all).
For me it was just fun to see what people would do.
I suspect that she may not have needed the cash and felt a little bad for "tricking" you into the buff so she just tipped you back the cash. I don't really see a wrong or right.
IMO she is someone you may want to get to know 
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Dreamslayer
Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:23 am
#5
lol, Every time I post on here I'm being "whiny". Sheesh, just don't answer the post if you feel that way. I genuinely wanted an outside opinion. I wanted to know if other docs on here buff without establishing exactly what service they are offering and what they want in terms of payment for said service. Basically, what I want to know is, should I just get used to the idea of people buffing me when I haven't really agreed to it.
The thing is I'm really against not paying people for service and I think it would make me look like a b*tch if she buffed me and I refused to pay for it. So in such a circumstance, I'm out the 10k I paid her for her buffs (which is moot in my experience, she gave it back) plus I'm out an additional 10k because I had to use one of my buffs to buff over hers. Plus, I'm not sure if duration can be overridden. I can override her stats, but if she buffs me for say, 3 hours, can I buff myself for 3.5? Or am I stuck with the 3 hours?
I was just curious as to how other docs do business.
The thing is I'm really against not paying people for service and I think it would make me look like a b*tch if she buffed me and I refused to pay for it. So in such a circumstance, I'm out the 10k I paid her for her buffs (which is moot in my experience, she gave it back) plus I'm out an additional 10k because I had to use one of my buffs to buff over hers. Plus, I'm not sure if duration can be overridden. I can override her stats, but if she buffs me for say, 3 hours, can I buff myself for 3.5? Or am I stuck with the 3 hours?
I was just curious as to how other docs do business.
vortexala
Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:01 am
#6
I don't think either of you was necessarily wrong in this situation.
She had her 'system' set up the way she wanted, which is obviously not the way you would do business. You stepped up in line and asked for buffs. She went about her business.
If you really don't like that system, then the best bet is to simply stay out of buff range when sending the /tell about stats. If they don't answer to your liking, move on.
Only thing I would've done differently was not have been as abrasive...and I would've gone back and paid her the 10K.
Chalk it up to a learning experience.
She had her 'system' set up the way she wanted, which is obviously not the way you would do business. You stepped up in line and asked for buffs. She went about her business.
If you really don't like that system, then the best bet is to simply stay out of buff range when sending the /tell about stats. If they don't answer to your liking, move on.
Only thing I would've done differently was not have been as abrasive...and I would've gone back and paid her the 10K.
Chalk it up to a learning experience.
Marrow1
Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:16 am
#7
If you buff over someone the duration of the new buff is the one that sticks.
If you buffed over her's then there would have been no difference in your buffing yourself in the first place. Also, saying that buffing your self costs you 10k, come on, there is no way your paying that much for packs.
My undertanding is that you wanted her to buff you. She did that. She also said up front that you could pay what you like. Come on, what more do you want?
The issue seems to stim from your thinking she has some evil hidden agenda.
If you look at it from the paradigm that she is a great person and just wants you to have a great buff that you can afford then how would you have responded?
Is this game come to such a sad state that a person gives a find buff, lets them pay what the want, and people feel like they are being griefed in some way?
Boy, I hope you were not playing when the buffs were random .
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Songe
Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:44 am
#8
Just seems like a misunderstanding for me,as you didn't explicitely say that you wanted buffs but she only worked for tips and assumed that you wanted a buff. I think she was pretty nice about it to tip you back the 10k, and i would have tipped her back too.
BrJLa
Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:19 pm
#9
I think that you need to keep in mind that this is a game, and that people are just looking to have fun. This person probably thought it would be fun to do something different. She probably thought she was being cool and generous and selfless. It rubbed you the wrong way - which isn't unreasonable either - but it isn't exactly the worst thing in the world.
I think your point of view is valid, but it's probably a minority viewpoint. And it's probably not realistic to expect that she would anticipate that someone would interpret her actions the way you did.
I don't think either of you were right or wrong, and I don't think the community needs to come together to form a consensus on whether this type of behavior should be tolerated. I think telling her your perspective was appropriate, and her response (tipping you back) seems equally appropriate.
Yec
Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:55 pm
#10
I think you were right. Just because you ask a doc a question or stand near them, that does not automatically equate to saying "I want buffs". I stood in front of a doc once, when I was just walking around after being out of game for a bit, and said something to the effect of, "Wow, 10k+ for buffs now?" The doc assumed I wanted buffs and starting buffing me (I'm a MD myself). I told the doc to stop and he got all pissy, as if there was some kind of zone that I had stepped into which was equivalent to consenting buffing for payment by him. What a crock of sh!t. Docs need to be more professional. Just asking a doc a question or standing in a certain place does not equate to buff consent.
People like to whine about AFK buffing docs, but I think they give their customers a lot less sh!t than some of the docs in Coronet.
Message Edited by Yec on 06-10-2004 01:57 PM
Arryth
Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:51 pm
#11
I have ta tell ya Dream..that after having spent more the 100 hours buffing in coronet....That i think ya may have been a little "brisk" with the doc in question....
Those of you who have buffed at any major hub probably remember the HUGE amount of tells and questions....Very often there is simply not time and energy to sanswer them all...that is the one ya even see..if its really bad..lol....
That said....As docs we should try to advertise the prices of our buffs in some way and include our stats when possible. All in all though I dont think its a huge deal...She returned your money and did not seem to be bothered from your post. Seems like a really nice doc actually.
Dreamslayer
Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:55 pm
#12
Marrow1 wrote:If you buff over someone the duration of the new buff is the one that sticks.
Thanks for the info there. I didn't know that.
As far as the "evil agenda" thing, yeah I'm kind of jaded these days. In the first months of launch, it was awesome. I mean more than half the game was broken in some way but there was a sense that we were all trying to figure it out together and everyone was helpful. These days things have evolved. The first day I created this toon, I healed this guy in the med center and he gave me some free brandy. I was overjoyed, ( I didn't even know what it was) but I thought it was really nice of him and thanked him profusely.
He said "Np, I like to help new people when I can." And I remember thinking what a cool guy he was. A week later when I hit Master Doc, I started buffing in the starport at Coro and Brandy guy came up to me.
Brandy Guy: You buffing?
Me: Yep (stats/price). Hop in line and I'll hook you up.
Brandy Guy: You don't remember me do you?
Me: Not exactly but I have seen so many people these past few days on here all the names are a blur. Sorry for that.
Brandy Guy: I gave you your first brandy.
Me: Oh yeah, okay. Thanks again.
Brandy Guy: So can you buff me?
Me: (confused) Sure.
A few seconds go by.
Brandy Guy: I mean will you let me cut in line?
Me: No, I couldn't. I mean all these people have been waiting.
Brandy Guy: You're not very grateful.
I tend to looked at people a little differently these days. Especially when it appears I'm getting a good deal. But that's my problem, not hers. I shouldn't have said anything to her.
Flynn_Nomad
Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:13 am
#13
Dreamslayer wrote:
She didn't respond but bank tipped me my 10k back. At this point I was a thousand meters away with only 10k in bank (I keep all my credits in cash so I can keep track of them easier). Therefore, I couldn't bank tip her the 10k and since I was already headed out, I didn't bother going back to cash tip her. I figure I was polite enough under the circumstances but still made my point and if she wants to get angry about it and tip my 10k back to me, that's her loss.
Just so you know you can tip anyone anywhere anytime.
Example /tip Johnny 10000 bank
You dont need to have them targeted.
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