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Thread: Doctor hate.
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maRRsTu
Mon May 23, 2005 3:27 pm
#1
Anyone did any tests to find out exactly how much hate we get when we heal. Some times I get agro sometimes I dont just would like to know when its safe to heal.
Dapu
Mon May 23, 2005 3:44 pm
#3
We get a lot of hate from the Devs. The aggro of critters in game is just acovertextension of this. 
Seriously though, I don't think anyone has done any number crunching on this yet. Most of us have seen that docs tend to getaggroed no matter how much they heal, though, leading us more to think that the system is broken right now.
For example, last night I went on a guild hunt with 3 other guildmates down into the Squill Cave. Two were only CL 14 and 16. The other was a CL 52 commando/CM with a flamethrower. I am a CL 38 doc 2-2-2-2 and pistoleer 1-1-1-1. The squills almost always targetted me, get this - even if I hadn't fired yet or healed anyone after combat began! The commando was doing much more damage with his flamethrower than I was with my pistol, and more damage than most of my heals (used mainly bacta jab and bacta infusion - kept shot for the emergency heals). It was guaranteed that they would switch over to me if I shot them or healed them, though. I ended up just rushing ahead and attacking them first after awhile, as it seemed to make no difference since they tended to attack me anyways.
If anyone could explain why this is to me, I'd really like to know... 
Eskie
Mon May 23, 2005 4:52 pm
#4
TarMangani wrote:
Sayic gets hate for not healing...does that help?
If you are in a group with a master rifleman who knows how to use his skills it is safe to heal - unless you yourself are the MRM
Riflemen are about the only people I found so far that can outdamage my heals. If there is no rifleman in the group, I either stick with bacta jab and bacta infusion, or do one big heal and concentrate on healing myself afterwards, hoping for the group to kill the critters attacking me. If the group constantly manages to aggro more than 3 critters at the same time, it would be about the right time to think about finding another group.
Trophy-Hunter
Mon May 23, 2005 5:56 pm
#5
I resemble that remark
Eskie wrote:
TarMangani wrote:
Sayic gets hate for not healing...does that help?
If you are in a group with a master rifleman who knows how to use his skills it is safe to heal - unless you yourself are the MRM
Riflemen are about the only people I found so far that can outdamage my heals. If there is no rifleman in the group, I either stick with bacta jab and bacta infusion, or do one big heal and concentrate on healing myself afterwards, hoping for the group to kill the critters attacking me. If the group constantly manages to aggro more than 3 critters at the same time, it would be about the right time to think about finding another group.
Noolaf
Mon May 23, 2005 7:08 pm
#6
I've just got back from hunting Bols on dantoine for the last 2 hours and I have to agree that almost nothing can distract mobs aways from your heals. I am only Master Medic and Doctor XX22, and yet they seem to attack me every time. I tried:
1) Just using my weak heals
2) Using no heals
3) Using strong attack
4) Using weak attacks
5) Using no attacks
6) Buffing not healing
7) And all combinations of the above.
I noticed no patterns. When I did nothing, stand there like a lemon, they would ignore me. But even then, healing just MYSELF, a neutral since I hadn't fired, got me swarmed. Save the Rifleman trick or using a doctor as a tank (TKM + Doctor) I can't see any point in using a Doctor in combat. Which would be fine, if there was anyother way to gain xp.
I still heal wounds & Buff out of combat. I enjoy it. I run around randomly healing peoples wounds. People get off a shuttle and before their own screen has loaded I've healed their wounds. Its great, but if I have to commit suicide to improve my skills whats the point?
MyT_Chicken
Tue May 24, 2005 7:36 am
#7
Hate works the same for anyone, attacking or healing.
So if you have2people (you and a friend)in your group, the hate is usually directed to one member (attacker). We will say he is doing 50 damage (example only). He attacks 5 times for a total for 250 point. But this mob is just mean, and takes 800 health away from your attacker by that time, so you heal for 800.
The agro will switch to you untill someone can out damage your heal (doing 801 damage). But because the agro is on you, you have to heal yourself, which brings your hate even higher making it nearly impossible to get it off you.
Now it's say that Taunt works now, but I have yet to see it actually pull something off me.
So with that being said, you really have to be carefull what you heal in this situation.
However, if you have 5 people in your group Hate works a bit different. From my experience,the Mob will start by attacking the highest damage dealer, and because you have more people in your group, if you do get agroed, the chances are very high that he will leave you alone after a hit or two. But still even in this case you have to be careful when you heal.
Now on a side note, if you get agroed by healing, and then start to defend yourself, that damage is added on top of what you healed, however if you do not attack, and just continue to heal yourself......from what I'm seeing it does not count towards continued hate, because you have not attacked him....
Although I can't confirm any of this, I think I'm pretty darn close to figureing it out.
wildcat84
Tue May 24, 2005 8:02 am
#8
The Devs despise us, that is the source of hate. We get millions of credits of inventory nerfed into uselessness, our clothes we paid millions for becomes useless, our crafting ability goes away, we get turned into gimped spellcasters who are inferior to low level Jedi in our own craft, and ANIMALS can somehow detect more danger from US than the guy shooting at them with a blaster...
Yep, the doctor hatred system is working well.
We are hated because we used to be sought out. Our services (which cost us a LOT to run well) brought us good incomes. Now all we have are wound heals, and the doctors are becoming rarer than the Jedi should be.
No hint of a doctor revamp, is there?
Yep, the doctor hatred system is working well.
We are hated because we used to be sought out. Our services (which cost us a LOT to run well) brought us good incomes. Now all we have are wound heals, and the doctors are becoming rarer than the Jedi should be.
No hint of a doctor revamp, is there?
Message Edited by wildcat84 on 05-24-2005 11:04 AM
c-mot
Tue May 24, 2005 8:06 am
#9
when u see a group member attacked by more then 1 critter, even a small heal will definatley draw all but one of the attackers to u. as the group member is usualy attacking just 1 critter u outdamge him with even the smallest heal with all the rest of the creatures. i expierienced this several times with pikets on dant. i now stop healing when a stampede starts and the group draw agro from the whole lair - if not i m the first one to go down. so i still can heal the incapped (after they stand up) or revive the dead after the attack.
another thing is that the creature attacks are totally bugged atm. if there are lots of creatures around i cannot figure out which ones are attacking me - i only see 3 or 4 red damage figures per round coming up. Bols hit me with melee attacks from 35m out, Pikets hit me with ranged attacks from 100m out - thru buildings!.
another thing is that the creature attacks are totally bugged atm. if there are lots of creatures around i cannot figure out which ones are attacking me - i only see 3 or 4 red damage figures per round coming up. Bols hit me with melee attacks from 35m out, Pikets hit me with ranged attacks from 100m out - thru buildings!.
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