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Thread: yet another buff thread. This time on making buff pack D's
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Tasolth
Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:13 am
#1
Ok I've been trying to make some decent buffs but always come up a bit short, best I have been able to get lately is 804 power with 10109 duration. I had been using 18 power 15 charge ABEC's, 56 power ASDS,s and 52 power ACDM's. Been using some random avain meat I have around with decent stats, and some some reactive gas with 970 OQ 112 DR. I' getting some new gas, with 920 power and 512 DR which should help the duration, but I'm just asking if there are any other tipsthat anyonecould share.
Oh and unfortiunatly I cant help the ABEC's as the lokain spawn has been crap for a while, got some new class 4 petro fuel bumping my ACDM's up to 60 power. will have to see what I come up with , only have 10 points + med crafters apron.
Message Edited by Tasolth on 09-14-2004 10:15 AM
Bad_Bad_Leroy
Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:18 am
#2
Tasolth wrote:
Ok I've been trying to make some decent buffs but always come up a bit short, best I have been able to get lately is 804 power with 10109 duration. I had been using 18 power 15 charge ABEC's, 56 power ASDS,s and 52 power ACDM's. Been using some random avain meat I have around with decent stats, and some some reactive gas with 970 OQ 112 DR. I' getting some new gas, with 920 power and 512 DR which should help the duration, but I'm just asking if there are any other tipsthat anyonecould share.
Oh and unfortiunatly I cant help the ABEC's as the lokain spawn has been crap for a while, got some new class 4 petro fuel bumping my ACDM's up to 60 power. will have to see what I come up with , only have 10 points + med crafters apron.
Message Edited by Tasolth on 09-14-2004 10:15 AM
Your ASDS's should be in the 70's, as dolovite and dom oats can be harvested in bulk when they spawn so there should be some on the market.
But more importantly, pleaselistthe avian stats, as the OQ and PE on it are a very major part of the buff's final power. Avian Meat is almost always the problem in weak buffs.
Tasolth
Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:22 am
#3
I'll chek on that as soon as I can, I'm in a computerclass atm, .. isn't collge fun.
y-osa
Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:34 am
#4
Those stats seem fine to me, better to have over 3hours duration though, 2.8 is what those are hitting. if your making them to sell as packs, keep the med use at 90 and max the charges on your ABEC's, I never waste good avian on my action enhance, but its a good idea to use the same gas as you did in your other packs instead of a generic inorganic, better to match up the durration on your packs as closely as you can; the dr on your gas is whats bringing your power down a bit, there are quite a few posts in this forum explaining the mechanics of this if your curious as to how, as a reference, the max attainable power on your advanced subcomponents are, ACRDM-75, ASDM-75, ABEC-30, they add directly to the base power of your packs(using multple components of the same type does not multiply the number), to give an idea of how the power of your components will affect your final result.
Sevardos
Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:41 am
#5
Without knowing the stats, I'd say it's most definitely your meat. I'm going to take a guess and say that it's probably the PE of your meat that is dragging down the formula - although we really can't help you specifically without the meat details.
Avian meat is the KEY to power (and Gas but your gas statsseem ok)- everything else helps marginally. Your ASDS seems a little low though. Should be able to get at least 70 on it unless your server has been starved for high quality Dolovite Iron.
As for your ABECs, don't worry about power with those. ABECs have the least impact on power of the components and even then, it's negligible at best. ABEC is the only component that increases the number of charges so I would max that out first before putting any points into power.
As for being +10, you'll be fine for maxing out your power. Having +11 or +12 helps in lowering Medical Use requirements (below 90) and increasing number of charges without the need sacrafice power. Ifyour sole focus is power, +10 will do it without missing anything.
Tasolth
Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:49 am
#6
ok just took another shot. got exact stats on stuff I used,
ABEC 15 power 14 charges
ACRDM60 power
ASDS 70 power (found some good resources in the bottom of my bag)
avain meat
926 DR
499 flav
712 PE
827OQ
Reactive Gas
162D R
968 OQ
made an enhance health D pack out of it .got these stats with 10 exp points + med crafters apron bonus
24 uses
821 power
10110 duration
and 93 med use.
I figure the gas is hurting the duration a lot so I'm trading it for some 920 OQ 512 DR which should help, not sure how much,
and getting some better ABEC's would help too but lokain spawn is still crap, I've been searching practicly every resouce vendor I come across.
Sevardos
Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:55 am
#7
Tasolth wrote:
ok just took another shot. got exact stats on stuff I used,
ABEC 15 power 14 charges
ACRDM60 power
ASDS 70 power (found some good resources in the bottom of my bag)
avain meat
926 DR
499 flav
712 PE
827OQ
Reactive Gas
162D R
968 OQ
made an enhance health D pack out of it .got these stats with 10 exp points + med crafters apron bonus
24 uses
821 power
10110 duration
and 93 med use.
I figure the gas is hurting the duration a lot so I'm trading it for some 920 OQ 512 DR which should help, not sure how much,
and getting some better ABEC's would help too but lokain spawn is still crap, I've been searching practicly every resouce vendor I come across.
It's the OQ on your Avian and PE to a smaller extent. To get higher, you need your OQ well over 900. PE could be higher as well but the OQ accounts for 2/3 of the formula calculation so if you can find meat with similar PE but considerably higher OQ, you're golden.
That being said, you're still making pretty decent buffs though.
Rolassk
Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:11 pm
#8
y-osa wrote:
the max attainable power on your advanced subcomponents are, ACRDM-75, ASDM-75, ABEC-30, they add directly to the base power of your packs(using multple components of the same type does not multiply the number), to give an idea of how the power of your components will affect your final result.
This is not a flame, just going to be extra technical here:
ACRDM - Max Power is 71.75 (Due to Herb Meat PE cap at 700)
ASolidDeliveryShell - Max is 75 (Correct)
ABEC - Max Power is 27.5 / Max Charge25(Due to Lok Wild Wheat PE Cap at 700)
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Message Edited by Rolassk on 09-14-2004 07:18 PM
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TheSidhe
Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:01 am
#9
Sevardos wrote:
Tasolth wrote:
ok just took another shot. got exact stats on stuff I used,
ABEC 15 power 14 charges
ACRDM60 power
ASDS 70 power (found some good resources in the bottom of my bag)
avain meat
926 DR
499 flav
712 PE
827OQ
Reactive Gas
162D R
968 OQ
made an enhance health D pack out of it .got these stats with 10 exp points + med crafters apron bonus
24 uses
821 power
10110 duration
and 93 med use.
I figure the gas is hurting the duration a lot so I'm trading it for some 920 OQ 512 DR which should help, not sure how much,
and getting some better ABEC's would help too but lokain spawn is still crap, I've been searching practicly every resouce vendor I come across.
It's the OQ on your Avian and PE to a smaller extent. To get higher, you need your OQ well over 900. PE could be higher as well but the OQ accounts for 2/3 of the formula calculation so if you can find meat with similar PE but considerably higher OQ, you're golden.
That being said, you're still making pretty decent buffs though.
The formula is OQ + OQ + PE / 3
OQ in the avian is 1/3 of the formula and PE is equally as important as Avian OQ. I could be wrong but I do believe this is how it works.
Obata
Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:02 am
#10
It's the avian meat. Look for avian with OQ+PE>1800 and you'll see much better results.When you're looking for avian meat, consider the OQ and PE to be of equal importance. Even though the schematic lists the weights to be 66:33, it's realy 50:50 due to the gas not providing a PE.Really, there's nothing wrong with your current buffs though. As others have said, it would be better to max the charges on the ABECs, if you're not already.
RedAnubis
Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:09 am
#11
Yes the DR on the gas is killing your duration. The PE on your avian is killing your base.
Sevardos
Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:14 am
#12
TheSidhe wrote:
Sevardos wrote:
Tasolth wrote:
ok just took another shot. got exact stats on stuff I used,
ABEC 15 power 14 charges
ACRDM60 power
ASDS 70 power (found some good resources in the bottom of my bag)
avain meat
926 DR
499 flav
712 PE
827OQ
Reactive Gas
162D R
968 OQ
made an enhance health D pack out of it .got these stats with 10 exp points + med crafters apron bonus
24 uses
821 power
10110 duration
and 93 med use.
I figure the gas is hurting the duration a lot so I'm trading it for some 920 OQ 512 DR which should help, not sure how much,
and getting some better ABEC's would help too but lokain spawn is still crap, I've been searching practicly every resouce vendor I come across.
It's the OQ on your Avian and PE to a smaller extent. To get higher, you need your OQ well over 900. PE could be higher as well but the OQ accounts for 2/3 of the formula calculation so if you can find meat with similar PE but considerably higher OQ, you're golden.
That being said, you're still making pretty decent buffs though.
The formula is OQ + OQ + PE / 3
OQ in the avian is 1/3 of the formula and PE is equally as important as Avian OQ. I could be wrong but I do believe this is how it works.
I realize that. I guess I should have clarified. I was speaking of OQ in general, not just the OQ of the Avian meat.
RedAnubis
Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:35 am
#13
Yes thats how it works, the PE accounts for 50% of the power based on the equation. This is because the reactive gas has no PE value.
The reason Action has more charges than the remaining ones if you use a metal for the resource is the UT, the UT now will factor in thus providing additional charges.
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