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Thread: Dear Developer; Johnny Swift, and all the Doctors in the house.

Foehammer333
Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:41 pm
#1


Dear Developer; Johnny Swift, and all the Doctors in the house.


I have to apologizes to you up front for this post developers, but I think you need to hear this and understand and grasp the full effects of what you have done. I and I believe a great many others feel you have failed to repair (and or) even realize the issue and fix this problem over a great deal of time now.


Currently the population is dwindling down to a slow trickle and the hopes of Jump To Light Speed saving the game is an ill-gotten concept as a major flaw and error within the development has accrued and has yet to even be recognized by the team.


Along with New fundamental changes to the game including the JEDI Questing and the totally banishment of the HOLO and the progression in classes (sometimes all) giving the community a wide variety of players and a base you have basically cut it down to just a few.


I truly believe along with many others you have (or will) not see the balance issue for what it truly is. A NERF. A NERF that actually applies to DOCTORS actually. We can all see your Johnny Swift Development team CSR is having a very difficult time figuring this out as its been a progressive issue for about 8 Months now.


Now, to the community, if you’re a Doctor and you are reading this I think you better heed this letter as apparently the development team thinks your stupid or something by sacrificing 140 skill credits on YOUR character to perpetuate an ill-gotten concept put forth by the team that they themselves have failed to realize in over 8-months.


Apparently the Doctors in this game are not some of the sharpest pencils either, because:


1. -Being a Doctor does not make you as rich, or richer than someone else who is not (fact). In fact, you can make more money collecting crystals (or Bounty Hunting) and actually have a viable combat skill to boot and don’t have to sit in a Star Port all day long and actually get to enjoy the game some.


2. -Being a Doctor means you have to run around A LOT gathering needed supplies and moving your harvesters around for your medical skills. Medical Skills which the Developers (apparently) expect you to share with everyone else. Even though you’re the one who EARNED them at a cost of 140 skill credits required.


3. -Being a Doctor means on average your charging players in the community anywhere from 12,000 to 15,000 credits to uses your skill for 2.7-3.5 hours in the game. A skill you earned and a substantial cost and a very substantial cost to your character with 140 skill points applied overall now to your TOON.


4. -Being a Doctor means you have 140 skill credits LESS than the rest of us, and were all buffed TOO by 2,600 points as well. Basically meaning, all of Our characters are about 140 skill credits better than Your character in a game where the JEDI Quest has changed to an intense GRIND of about 22 million Combat Points instead of 32 possibilities and guess work.


5.- Being a Doctor means you will not benefit or have even been considered in the upcoming Combat Revamp. Your still going to have 140 Skill Credits less than the rest of us.


In other words Doctors, you have NERFED yourself, and this is your WAKEUP CALL. Just because the Developers are not so swiftest people on the planet does not mean you have to follow the example they set. They have NERFED YOU by allowing everyone to use your skill (a skill you earned) and allow them to use a character with 140 more skill points than you. If you think 140 skill points missing off your character is not substantial I have a hard time with only 12 missing due to the Force Sensitive Skill Boxes at 1 skill credit each.


Doctors in this game have been relegated to Second Class Citizenship. I have seen many people on this forums complaining about the Force Sensitive Skill Credit Requirements (including myself), but what about the Doctors in this game! They have, or I should say; are Expected by the Development Team to sacrifice 140 Skill Credits on there own TOON to propitiate a bad IDEA and are not even a second thought in the Combat Revamp.


Pardon me, but;


-Why aren’t the Doctors in this game rioting in the streets of THEED?


-Why aren’t the Doctors in this game charging 100k for a buff? You have us over a barrel. We have to pay it as the development team is building the game around YOUR SKILL placed on MY character (not yours).


-Why are you still a Doctor, because even the Development team apparently has forgotten how hard it is to run a character shy 140 skill credits. Your not even an afterthought to them as shown by the Beta TC server Ahazi.


To the Community;


This is exactly why its getting harder and harder to find a doctor within the game to buff you. It was a flawed concept anyway to allow Doctors to buff other people when it was them themselves who had to use 140 skill credits to master that class. This is exactly why the balance is off within the game. A game only intended for Foods a Spices to be the Enhancement applied to ALL!


As the Grind to JEDI gets more and more intense and fewer and fewer players are going to BEND OVER AND TAKE IT UP THE <insert colorful remark here> and be a Nerfed Doctor in this game. Maybe the developers will realize exactly how dumb they have and are being, but that is a dream. As the developers have shown and are still goofing around with buffs intended for all of us, and not just the classes that have EARNED THEM.


-Don’t be a Second Class Citizen, Doctors.


-Don’t undercharge your valuable skills and benefits. Make everyone pay 100k per buff!


-Don’t be part of the problem of the imbalance in the game, Doctors. Your not getting the full benefit from it anyway.


-Don’t be a patsies for the Development team and there excuses for the Imbalance and delay in the combat revamp. Fixing YOUR character so the buffs only apply to you fixes the imbalance issue, Doctors.


-Don’t sacrifice 140 skill credits on your TOON, let some other sucker do it, Doctors. If the developers what this in the game so bad let them make a character and stand in a Star Port all day and do it.


-Don’t bend over and smile while the developers <insert colorful remark here> you, Doctors.


Dear SOE;



I believe we all know, and understand that you cannot always hire the sharpest pencil in the box, but at least get some with some LEAD in it please. Can we get some smarter ones please?


And they have the gall to wonder why we are all leaving Your developers SOE cannot balance the game or do a Combat Revamp when they have failed repeatedly to even recognize the issue at hand.


Get some Sharper Pencils SOE.

Marzuk147
Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:55 pm
#2

Im annoyed with some parts of doctor, but I must admit that I think this is a bit far fetched, Im going to have to disagree.
Foehammer333
Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:11 pm
#3


Really?


Maybe you need a pencil sharpener Marzuk? Are you a developer by chance?


What to Duel?


What I have stated is not farfetched at all, and its exactly what is happening and the major cause of the imbalance issue. I would hardly call 140 skill points farfetched, as that is a huge chunk of a character template.


Anyone, and I do mean anyone currently a Doctor in this game is a few eggs short of a dozen.

NiViK
Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:31 pm
#4


Why is it that the first thing out of someones mouth when they get called on a half a$$ed statement is "Duel me".


While we are at it...lets whine about how bounty hunters are nerfed because they have even fewer skill points...no real unique weapons that do substational damage to jedi...and have to spend tons of creds on droids to track jedi down.


Lets look at it like this...


I am a MD/TKM


We are out in the wilds of wherever. Totally unbuffed. Using only our own skills...we prepare for a duel. I will buff myself...but wait...you cant buff yourself can you.


I take my dbl shot of brandy and my knockdown food. I spice then meditate. You do whatever you do to get ready.


Now lets fight. You dizzy me...I healstate...you posion me...I cure posion...I have 3500in my health related stats...2500 in mind related stats...you have whatever your drinks food and spices gave you.


I hate relying on others for anything. I love teaming...but I prefer to take care of myself.


When you are in a buffline....I am out hunting. Bounty Hunters use a ton of skillpoints and do they have any uber attacks or defences vs Jedi(since jedi are their primary purpose). They have loads of carbine, pistol and rifle skills...(I count lightning cannon as rifle) but nothing really unique.


Smugglers get even less of a profit from slicing than docs do...lets complain about that as well.


The economy is based on what people want to charge and what people want to pay for some service. Time and time again we have had people posting inn the doc forum about how we should raise our prices...I say go for it. You charge what you want I charge what I want.


I dont know if you were a doc in the past...but honestly why are you complaining in the first place...the devs dont read these...

Message Edited by NiViK on 10-08-2004 08:36 PM



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Marzuk147
Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:40 pm
#5

Ill pass on dueling. If I wanted to be some uber PvP defense stacker, I would be. Im not and could care less about who could win what duel. I guess Ill go ahead and respond to this point for point.


"1. -Being a Doctor does not make you as rich, or richer than someone else who is not (fact). In fact, you can make more money collecting crystals (or Bounty Hunting) and actually have a viable combat skill to boot and don’t have to sit in a Star Port all day long and actually get to enjoy the game some."

It is true that doctors do not make what others make. This I will agree with, but what can I say people whine about 10k for buffs now. This is a people problem not a dev problem.



"2. -Being a Doctor means you have to run around A LOT gathering needed supplies and moving your harvesters around for your medical skills. Medical Skills which the Developers (apparently) expect you to share with everyone else. Even though you’re the one who EARNED them at a cost of 140 skill credits required."

You dont share medical skills anymore than an armorsmith, weaponsmith, archetect, chef, bioengineer, smuggler ect. All spend points that make them less effective in combat, although not as many as doctors.


"3. -Being a Doctor means on average your charging players in the community anywhere from 12,000 to 15,000 credits to uses your skill for 2.7-3.5 hours in the game. A skill you earned and a substantial cost and a very substantial cost to your character with 140 skill points applied overall now to your TOON."

Just covered this with the last statement. This is the same thing, just with different wording. Yes, you spent skillpoints on something that others use. Get over it.


"4. -Being a Doctor means you have 140 skill credits LESS than the rest of us, and were all buffed TOO by 2,600 points as well. Basically meaning, all of Our characters are about 140 skill credits better than Your character in a game where the JEDI Quest has changed to an intense GRIND of about 22 million Combat Points instead of 32 possibilities and guess work."

Again, not everyone is focused on bieng an uber PvP killer, get over the useage of skillpoints for other reasons. I can cap out combat experiance WITH EASE. I have 500,000 FS xp that Im not even planning on using. Combat has it easy compared to crafters.



"5.- Being a Doctor means you will not benefit or have even been considered in the upcoming Combat Revamp. Your still going to have 140 Skill Credits less than the rest of us."

Do you think you could mention this about 6 more times? I dont think I heard you the first.


You see, I have a problem with people like you. You turn the doctor class into a buffbot. People like YOU give doctors second class citizenship. Instead of bieng in here trying to get other things that doctors can do to be more important in their roles, you are in here worried about how much it costs to buff yourself in skill points.

No matter how you go, anything that is any kind of craft or buff, is something that someone else uses. These are the choices we make in the game. I am willing to bet you want a defense stacker plus the ability to self buff, hence all the complaining about skillpoint useage.

You have room to pick up an elite combat profession with doctor and master it if you like, I dont see the problem there.
Houdani
Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:38 pm
#6



Don't come in here and denigrate Doctors and/or call them stupid for spending skill points on their chosen profession. If you think you're better off without Doctors, then I suggest that you play the game without using their services. Start playing without Doctor buffs, state heals, or disease/poison/fire cures and then come back in a few weeks and explain to us why we are a worthless profession.


The combat balance most certainly WILL benefit Doctors. Obviously, the most significant impact will be to the strength of buffs. You call it a nerf. We call it balance. We are more than willing to accept a drastic reduction in buff strength in order to make this game more balanced, challenging and fun. It benefits the entire game and we welcome it.


You claim to be 140 skill points richer than Doctors. That would only be true if EVERY player wanted to be a template stacker. The fact of the matter is, we happen to enjoy our profession and derive satisfaction out of it. Do you also call Entertainers stupid because they put some of their skill points into a non-combat profession? How about Tailors or Droid Engineers or Rangers? Not every player aspires to be a combat machine.


Before proclaiming a profession is weak ... think about how you rely on that profession in your day-to-day activities.


  • Doctor buffs.

  • Entertainer buffs.

  • Chef buffs.

  • Armor.

  • Weapons.

Sure, you might be able to wallop any of those other professions in a duel. But without their equipment/consumables, you'd be left with a CDEF pistol.





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Obata
Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:34 am
#7



You seem to be stuck on one style of play, Foehammer. It's quite arrogant of you to come here and tell us that we should not enjoy our profession and are less intelligent than you because we don't play stacker templates. Did you post this on the Dancer and Musician boards too? Can you accept that not everyone wants to be a pure combatant? You obviously would not enjoy playing a doc, so don't. You should be glad there are those of us who do enjoy it. You made many assumption and generalizations. Let me set you straight.


1. Not everyone considers the game to be a competition as to who is richest. I make more money as a doc than I will ever need. I don't care if armorsmiths and weaponsmiths are richer.


2. Gathering resources to make the best items is a part of the game for many professions. I enjoy the challenge of making great meds. We spend that 140 SP on skills that the rest of the players need, I wouldn't call that a waste.


3. They are our SP to spend aren't they? I've never let anyone tell me how to spend them and never will. Seeing it as a waste is very short sighted. BTW, buffing is not all the 140 SP gets us.


4. You might want to sit down for this one. Not everyone is interested in the Jedi quests. Many docs are doing it and depending on their other professions it's not all that hard.


5. You're making a huge assumption about the revamp. No documents have been released, so we don't know what all the changes will be.


Your statement about the population dwindling is also incorrect. Despite all the posts about people quiting, the population is still going up.


As to your general premiss, my guild likes to have impromtu duels. We have several stackers and many varied templates. As an MD/MCM, I win about 90% of the time. Healing abilities are extremely useful. I am largely unaffected by states, fire, poison, disease and anything that damages health or action. I consider it 140 skill points well spent.

Message Edited by Obata on 10-09-2004 07:37 AM



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Opos Odet (Deceased): Master Artisan, Master Merchant, Master Musician - Wanderhome
Agent001
Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:19 am
#8

Two words:


Combat Rebalance
vortexala
Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:08 am
#9

Amazing. Trolling on the Doctor board...and not by a disgruntled CM I might add...





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Cerridwen3
Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:24 am
#10


Here's what you don't get about some doctors. Me especially.


I'm a master doctor. I chose that for myself. Not to make money, not to grind anything... just to help people out and have fun. YES fun. I do enjoy sitting at the starport buffing and healing people. I do enjoy the people I meet on a daily basis.


I do in fact have a combat profession, I'm master Pikeman as well. So I'm more than able to buff myself and go and have good fights. Why dont I?? Because I dont like the combat. I dont like running to and from mission terminals, I find it extrememly monotomous and would rather have the social part of being doctor and buffing then out alone fighting npc's.


You can sit there all you want and tell us we're stupid and such, but you would be NOWHERE without us doctors. We were made to be SUPPORT, not combat and believe it or not some of us enjoy it.


So, you can in fact have the best of both worlds, I do and I choose to sit and buff rather than go and fight.


And also.... CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!! wow!! someone who actually DOESN'T want jedi?? who would have thought it...... so I could care less about anything you said.


I enjoy my profession and no one is going to try and tell me otherwise and it's real arrogant of you to try and do that.
Obata
Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:37 pm
#11






vortexala wrote:

Amazing. Trolling on the Doctor board...and not by a disgruntled CM I might add...








This is the exact opposite of the kind of trolls the CM board always got. Instead of "You are sooo overpowered" this board gets "If you have this profession, you're an idiot." Somehow, it's just as infuriating.



Obata Lightingflier (Deceased): Master Doctor, Master Combat Medic - Wanderhome
Opos Odet (Deceased): Master Artisan, Master Merchant, Master Musician - Wanderhome
Cerridwen3
Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:59 pm
#12

It's more infuriating due to the fact that some people forget that people have like different types of play. There are tons of people who prefer the crafting over combat. There are people who prefer entertaining over crafting.... this game and it's professions were geared to various types of gameplay and the ignorance of some people is what infuriates me. I can't stand stupidity and if I could I would give dork up there minus 20 stars for his "mentality" although he lacks any mentality at all.
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