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Thread: -= Where are we going wrong? :( =-
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Maddoggin
Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:23 am
#1
Hey everyone. A couple Doctors from my guild have gotten together, and combined and gathered resources to create a ton of buff packs for use in our guild. We thought that the resources we were using were actually pretty good, but then we crafted a test Health buff, before we started on the factory runs. Below is a list of the ingredients we used, and their stats. I was wondering if any of you veteran Doc crafters could take a quick look at what we're using, and tell us where we're hurting. Any info would be greatly appreciated, because frankly, it's driving us nuts, haha. Here we go:
Adv. Bio Effect
Power: 23
Charge: 12
Lok Wild Wheat: OQ 991, PE 522
Tat Fiber: OQ 745, UT 907
Adv. Solid Delivery
Power: 62
Charges: 0
Dolovite Iron: OQ 694, UT 848
Domest Oats: OQ 822, PE 902
Enhance Health - D
Power: 843
Duration: 12987
Uses: 22
Avian Meat: OQ 999, PE 704
Reactive Gas: OQ 875, DR 976
That's everything we used, and the product that we ended up with. I'm thinking it's the ABEC that is hurting us, but I really have nothing to base that assumption on. If any of you see anything that sticks out, as to why our buffs are not better, I am more than interested to hear it.
Hopefully I provided enough information, if you need anything else, let me know. And, again, thank you VERY much for any insight you could provide, I am ALL ears. 
Voraz
Master Sword/Master Doc
Corbantis
Catjusha
Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:09 am
#2
At first glance the resources you used are pretty good. However, you seemed to have experimented the ABEC's to power instead of charges, thus resulting in the low amount of charges for your packs (charges on BEC's go directly into the final product). Also, I don't see any data on the CRDM you used.
Other factors that may have an influence:
- Experimentation points of the person who made the schematics
- Crafting station used for the experimentation
- Amount of "great success" or "amazing success" in the experimentation.
Hope this helps a little
Cat
TenshiHanaKinu
Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:10 am
#3
What about your Advanced Chemical Release Duration Mechanisms?
Maddoggin
Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:53 am
#4
Bah. You're right, I forgot the Chem Mechanisms. I was just going off of what the Doctor who is crafting the packs, sent me. I believe they are around Power64 though? I'll try to get it up soon. Anyway, from the initial look at this, would you say that our resources seem fine, but it's just how we allocated our 10 exp points?
Thanks a lot for both replies, it definitly helps quite a bit, because both of us are complete newbs at crafting buff packs. Any other info that you could give, would, once again, be VERY greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot everybody.
Any other info that you could give, would, once again, be VERY greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot everybody.
TenshiHanaKinu
Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:01 pm
#5
I'm not sure just how much this affects things, but what's the power of your Crafting Tool & your Crafting Station?
Also, I think your ASDS's could gain some power. I get close to upper 90%'s on mine, using 998OQ Dolovite Iron. The power on the component is about 72.
- Checking my resource catalogue, these're what I use:
Domesticated Oats (Nabooian) Ideu : OQ 932 PE 980 DR 657
Iron (Dolovite) Conekoj : OQ 996 DR 810
15.0 Crafting tool and a 36-something Crafting station. Not the best, but they work. 
Message Edited by TenshiHanaKinu on 08-11-2004 06:03 PM
Maddoggin
Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:16 pm
#6
Thanks a lot for all of the replies and info. You pretty much hit on what I was thinking, though it is really nice to hear it from vet Docs like yourselves. I guess they are really not bad buffs, 2300 for 3.5 hours isn't bad, especially for the resources we've had lately on Corbantis. I guess we were just expecting a bit more, but expecting it blind, because this is our first try at this. The info that ya'll provided is definitly gonna help in the future. Thanks everyone for taking the time to take a look and reply. It as all VERY helpful.
Thanks a lot!
Voraz
Mejowepra
Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:24 pm
#7
To clarify why you are "only" getting buffs in that range: the power of the gas and avian meat ends up at:
((999 + 875)/2 + 704)/2 = 820 or 82% of max. Again you're doing perfectly fine with the resources you're working with. I would also suggest going for charges on the ABEC's or at least use a somewhat more balanced version.
((999 + 875)/2 + 704)/2 = 820 or 82% of max. Again you're doing perfectly fine with the resources you're working with. I would also suggest going for charges on the ABEC's or at least use a somewhat more balanced version.
Maddoggin
Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:09 am
#8
Do'h, I found it. I must have missed it last night, lol, sorry about that. Overall the Chem Release Mechanism looks pretty good to me, /shrug. Here it is:
Adv. Chem Release Mechanism
Power: 64
Charges: 0
Herb Meat: OQ 899, PE 526
Liq. Class 4: OQ 898, PE 910
That's it I think. What we are mainly shooting for, is power of the buffs. Again, thanks everyone and anyone for your help.
DoctorBill
Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:12 am
#9
I think thats a nice pack for the stuff used to make it, the only thing I would change is what people mentioned already, and that is to experiment your ABEC's in uses rather than power, you will lose a little power but you will gain several more uses.
Resources vary from server to server as youprobably know already, that will be a huge difference, all of what you have is actually pretty close to what I produce though, your only lacking in the ASDS, I can hit 73p on those, my ABEC's are 21charges and 17power, and then ACRDM's are 60-63power. Your reactive gas has awesome duration and good OQ.
What is it that you think your lacking? I would use these or even buy them with more charges.
Not sure on the stats of my avian and gas but I am making 32/880's 3hrs27min packs (12430), I know the gas is 992 OQ and DR is like 400ish.
If your looking for more power, the only thing I see you can improve on is the dolovite and domestic oats, I actualy thought that was the ACRDM, lol mine are usually low 60s, I think you could hit 880 with better delivery shells.
Message Edited by DoctorBill on 08-11-2004 03:18 PM
sallgeud
Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:29 am
#10
Some people, when they experiment, do one box of experimentation at a time. This typically yields bad results (in the end).
You want a +43 crafting station. A +14.7 tool. You want to be in a crafting city. Eat some of the poyllyon (sp?) and some Bespin... almost always a "Guaranteed Success" and you use about 7 pointsfor the first experiment on power... then 2, then 1... and if you're a +12... put the last 2 into charges or med use... up to you.
Bazoo-kaman
Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:37 am
#11
I'm also a master doc on Corbantis and I'm assuming that you are using the current Prose Dath Avian meat and the recent Lasrae (sp?) Tolium reactive gas. If that's the case, then your buffs are in the same ballpark that mine and others are gettiing. You aren't doing anything wrong at all. The only suggestion that I would make has already been made (experiment ABEC's to charges first, then power). I would say that these are fine buffs! Keep up the good work!!
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