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Thread: THE ULTIMATE BUFFING MACRO!!!!
Some-Guy wrote:
The difference is one is an exploit, and against the EULA, and the other isn't. I have nothing further to say to you. If a CSR or Dev wishes for me to prove what I do can be done within the confines of the in game macro system, I will gladly show them how it is done. Should they decide after that to nerf it, when my macro is no longer viable THEN I'll post how it was done. No sooner.And my macro hasn't been uploaded to a SOE server at any time, therefore it's not considered Content by the definition in the TOS, so it can't be Derived Content, as Derived Content is a subset of Content. I still maintain my rights. (and even if a SOE lawyer contacts me informing me I'm wrong, then I only have to give my macro to SOE, not post it on these forums, if they decide to post it after that there'd be nothing I could do)Message Edited by Some-Guy on 10-07-2005 07:59 AM
Sorry but it's related to the game therefore you cannot claim rights to it. I'm sure SOE would win in a court of law in that regards, because they did do their homework on the EULA.
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You acknowledge and agree that you have not and will not acquire or obtain any intellectual property or other rights, including any right of exploitation, of any kind in or to the software, artwork, music, and other components included in the accompanying CD-ROM (the "Software") or the Game, including, without limitation, in any character(s), item(s), coin(s) or other material or property
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And yes, your macro is against the EULA if you use it unattended. The EULA does not distinguish between in-game macros and out of game macros; it states plainly that the use of macros that allow unattended game-play is prohibited.
Message Edited by damicatz on 10-07-2005 06:11 PM
damicatz wrote:
And yes, your macro is against the EULA if you use it unattended. The EULA does not distinguish between in-game macros and out of game macros; it states plainly that the use of macros that allow unattended game-play is prohibited.
Message Edited by damicatz on 10-07-2005 06:11 PM
damicatz wrote:
And yes, your macro is against the EULA if you use it unattended. The EULA does not distinguish between in-game macros and out of game macros; it states plainly that the use of macros that allow unattended game-play is prohibited.
Message Edited by damicatz on 10-07-2005 06:11 PM
/eyeroll If that was really true then every AFK entertainer buffbot ever made would have been banned a long time ago. Instead, the devs have specifically setup the buffing system to insure that at least one buff (the general one) can be performed by an AFK macro-bot.
This argument has been had a million times. The devs have stated flat out that the restrictions in the EULA apply only to third-party macros. Any AFK macro created completely with the in-game macro system is 100% legal.
Three minutes time using the search function would confirm this for you.
Personally, I wish "Some Guy" WOULD release the macro for everyone and his brother to use. Let it wreck the game and let the devs deal with the full ramifications of their pro-bot policies.
On the other hand, if it's that useful then SOE would probably just see an uptick in their subscriptions as every combat wombat bought a second account to run their macro-partner on. *sigh*
Some-Guy wrote:I'd lose my macro, because once somebody DID figure out it's true, horifying potential, the devs would have no choice but to nerf it, and nerf it fast. As we've already discussed, it's fairly benign in it's current form, I make a bit of money. Now if I took the restrictions off it, and gave it to a few dozen of my closest friends, I could control an army of toon botsthat would make even the biggest chinese credit farmer jealous.
That perspective doesn't seem to fit with the idea of you selling it for 200 million a pop. It will get out that way.
Negho wrote:
Some-Guy wrote:
I'd lose my macro, because once somebody DID figure out it's true, horifying potential, the devs would have no choice but to nerf it, and nerf it fast. As we've already discussed, it's fairly benign in it's current form, I make a bit of money. Now if I took the restrictions off it, and gave it to a few dozen of my closest friends, I could control an army of toon botsthat would make even the biggest chinese credit farmer jealous.
That perspective doesn't seem to fit with the idea of you selling it for 200 million a pop. It will get out that way.
I ended up not selling it
/q:add /say 1
/q:add /say 2
/q:add /say 3
/q:add /say 4
/q:add /say 5
/q:exe
/q:exe
/q:exe
/q:exe
/q:exe
Iasha wrote:
/q:add /say 1
/q:add /say 2
/q:add /say 3
/q:add /say 4
/q:add /say 5
/q:exe
/q:exe
/q:exe
/q:exe
/q:exe
my problem alreayd, whats this? i've got a nice list of every /command and /ui action i've found anywhere and loads that don't exist and then this? fair enough if the rests like this i won't be understanding that either, but if its nothing like C++ and un-usual commands keep appearing- who found them in the first place? and better yet how did they find how to use them?
They're aliases, and nobody discovered them.I made them. Lookup the /alias command and what it does.
Some-Guy wrote:
They're aliases, and nobody discovered them.I made them.
omg you're so special! you're so smart!
Hoever I disagree that SOE is not aware of this. Those guys know exactly what the potential of this macroing system, and it is foolish to think they are not aware of just how far you can go with it. IF they really thought the macros were game breaking, they would have been removed a LONG time ago. THe games macroing system is an offshoot of itsquest engine that dicates how NPCS and other objects act. Its the same engine that drives the creatures and NPCs for Live Events. One of the core components of a MMO is the internal scripting engine, its just a matter of how much you are willing to expose to the user.
Finally, an intelligent person. You've nailed it partner. Macros are nothing more or less than SOE allowing users to utilize pieces of the game code themselves. They obviously know what the code does, because they made the game with it! To all those people out their who think SOE is staffed with idiots, come on, give 'em some credit. You can't very well create these commands and not know how they work.
And frankly, in an era where you can hire a CHinese pharmer @ 50 cents an hour to do all this stuff ATK, who really cares if they leave complex macros. The end result will still be the same. (and those guys will still use 3rd party apps to do the same thing , so the only thing you accomplish is making life harder for legitimate players)
Agree.
SOE knows well what their scripting engine can and cannot do. From where I sit, I think SOE may have had it in mind for players to make their own scripted events, a means of making theior own content in the game.
Finally! Someone who gets it! Almost like it's supposed to be an actual world, instead of another stupidly linear RPG... Why can't anyone else see that?
Now there is your true potential macro'ers...use the in-game macro system to create quests and give rewards. The macro system is a powerful content creation tool if you use it that way.
Now that's a good idea. I don't think you'll find very many who A.) know the commands and B.) have the time though. =(
Buff bots are inconsequential compared to the postives this macroing system has. I just wish more were educated on its potential and could get going making their own content rather than whining for SOE to nerf things and give them content on a silver platter.
I love this post. It's about time people started giving constructive criticism instead of crying. Constructive criticism helps SOE fix things. Crying gets you ignored. Those crying might also consider this: Maybe the reason SOE ignores your cries is because you are the MINORITY! I highly doubt they are going to drive away the majority of their paying customers just to satisfy a few whiners. You may not think highly of SOE, but they are a business, and they are out to make money, period.
Like any tool it can be abused but removal of the tool is a horrible answer, and is the typical response of the uneducated when faced with a lack of understanding.
A-FREAKIN'-MEN!!!!!
If you want to make a difference, and have a real challenge. THink of ways to BREAK the AFK macro while its running. Find ways to bollux it up so it can no longer function on its own. Thats a better answer than crying NERF. (and yes you can as a player,you cause the macro to go haywire if you know what actions to take while its running)
Not to mention that this would be much more fun and satisfying.......
at least thats an intellegent minded solution compared to the caveman-like "me no understand macro..me smash wut big stik", You gotta understand the macro, and why it works to find out how to make it break.
I don't care who you are, that's just funny.....
Wow. I was planning a response to this thread, and it seems that it's been summed up for me very nicely. Kudos.
Here's a very basic solution to the queue problem:
/unalias q.add;
/unalias q.exe;
/unalias Avar;
/unalias Bvar;
/unalias Cvar;
/unalias SwitchAtoB;
/unalias SwitchBtoC;
/unalias SwitchCtoD;
/unalias MoveAtoB;
/unalias MoveBtoC;
/unalias MoveCtoD;
/alias SwitchAtoB /alias q.add /SwitchAtoB; /alias Bvar
/alias SwitchBtoC /alias q.add /SwitchCtoD; /alias Cvar
/alias SwitchCtoD /say NoMoreVars;
/alias q.add /SwitchAtoB; /alias Avar
/alias MoveCtoD /Dvar;
/alias MoveBtoC /alias q.exe /Cvar; /MoveCtoD; /unalias Cvar;
/alias MoveAtoB /alias q.exe /Bvar; /MoveBtoC; /unalias Bvar;
/alias q.exe /Avar; /MoveAtoB; /unalias Avar;
/q.add /say howdy;
/q.add /say pard;
/q.exe;
/q.exe;
Chick3nWings wrote:
Here's a very basic solution to the queue problem:
) (I'm not seeing anyway for the queue to reset back to pushing into VarA after the first push)Message Edited by Some-Guy on 10-11-2005 04:51 PM
the point of my post was just to demonstrate the basics for those interested in the macro.there is enough code there to get someone started down the right path.
incidentally, it would take about ten minutes to turn this into a ring buffer system, which would give you the indefinite push/pop functionality
i was just rereading this thread and saw the reference to someone offering 200 mil credits for the macro.
i'll recreate it for anyone willing to pay 1 billion credits.