Doctor Archive

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Rere wrote:

If I only want to use the best avian? Exactly. And apparently, that's clearlythe difference between you and me.You are safisfied in crafting ANY type enhance pack, and I'm not. I do aim for the best, that's where the challenge in the prof is for me.

And also, trying to compare the requirements of avian meat to those meats used in other profession is once again as silly as your 1st comment about "hunting for berries and wheat", it has nothing to do with it and it CAN'T be compared to them because of the huge disparity between the drop rate of each.

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Ledao wrote:

I have a couple of things to add here, and then I think I'm done...

First of all, to make an argument that avian drops need to be increased based on the premise that there isn't enough best-ever avian meat around is to employ a bit of a non sequitor... A pack made with best-ever meat is, in many ways, the doctor equivalent of krayt enhanced weaponry -- due to their scarcity, they command a premium relative to "run of the mill" packs that is not reflected in the difference in quality.

Ok, I NEVER said that this was the only premise to base my argument that the drop rate need it to be increased, I was just merely using this as a very clearexample to point out for you what I was talking about.In other words, Ijust using my own experience to lay down my case. But if you check Agent's thread on the Top 5 Issues of the profession, you will see that since it was voted by the Docs one as one of those top 5 it is most certainly not an issue that only concerns me and my needs.

Second, the difference between a pack with 880 power and a pack with 920 power is hardly noticeable, when you consider the actual usefulness of each buff out in the field. That could even be extended -- go hunt the same thing after buffing yourself with some 850s and then some 930s and see if there is a noticeable difference.

It might be hardly noticeable but it's where the challenge in this profession lies in my opinion. I like to make packs over 900 because those are the ones that I consider ofreally high quality and after being 15 months crafting that what I'm always aiming for.

And last, I think it is a poor business practice to suppose that you should only sell one type of pack (or, for that matter, to price packs based on availability of the spawn, rather than pack quality) -- I was able to sell packs with our best-ever meat for nearly 8 months after it shifted out, for instance. When I got low, I bought more and raised the price. And all the while I maintained a stock of packs made with whatever was recent and cheap... While I'm all for trying to squeeze every bit out of every pack, I think that failing to acknowledge the low end of the market does a disservice to our customers...

Don't judge without knowing the facts. Did I ever said this was my business practice? Don't think so.Personally, I've been restocking my vendors every week of every month for all the time I've been a Doc. Usually with 2 types of packs, one in the 840+ power range and the other in the 900+ range, both with different prices obviously trying to cater for all kinds of Docs out there. Currently I can't do that, but you still can find one type of decent stats pack in my vendors. And you might have been able to stock meat for 8 months, good for you. But in my server that would never be possible. This type of experiences is totally based on what spawns you had in your own server so it's hardly a good example to use here.

Also, don't go on assuming everyone is into a professionand trying to craft the best justto be able to sell it later on for premium prices. Might be your case, but it's not mine.

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And I'm done too if you are.

Message Edited by Rere on 12-08-2004 05:20 PM

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Eeber wrote:

I guess Idon't really mind the current drop levels. Yes it's frustrating to only get like 13 units from a peko-peko on Naboo, but I think the core components to the enhance packs should be difficult to get. You will notice that the frequency for high quaility reactive gas isn't any higher either. Then there are the incredibly specific requirements for posion and disease buff packs, they are even harder to come by. I have to say that after spending 6 weeks to gather the resources I needed to make my first commercial run of packs that the actual crafting was incredibly fun and rewarding.

Just my 2 cents!!

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Thats alot of reading. It would just bump the next most difficutl resource to get up. That'd be either class 4 liquid petro or herbie meat. Frankly I think the class 4 is harder to get ahold of for new docs. I had to pay 20cpu for the crap, and compare how much of that you need to avian meat for all doc meds.....bleh. Our server has had one good spawn, and 2 mediocre, and 5 or 6 crap spawns ever. The stuff hardly ever spawns and when it does its crap.

Firstly, i am pleased to have provided so much ground for debate from my one post

But i have a few additions here:

Firstly: The skill in stockpilling, collecting and finding the rare and HQ resourses needed for our products has, imo very little to do with the price you are offering. Marketing is the key issue here....i know people who offer 300 CPU, their house and a chip shop on the forums...they get very little of the resourse
I also know people who have Ranger [SPAM] lists longer than a 747....and guess what? Yep, they offer what they fancy in general and get all they need....x 10

It takes effort to go around finding Rangers, cataloging their details etc..
It takes 0% effort to write a post on the forums saying: "Offering X Y and Z For Avian"
Also to be noted: the overall % of people who visit the forums in contrast the actual number of subscriptions is TINY It is miniscule Dare i say it....and i havnt done it yet, but starport [SPAMMING] would do more than forum posts ever will. That said of course, the forums are a good way of getting your name heard and your offer heard to 'Big Community Players' who might infact, tell others....so i dont rule it out. But i do suggest that it should be an add-on to your already implimented work IG.

Secondly: Above someone talked with relation to stockpiling the resourses at first instance and hence, no issue for further collection. Well, let me say, this is a method which can and does work for the already rooted and highly rich Docs among us....if you have the Ranger List for it...if you have the cash to buy in serious bulk...then ok. One flaw: On Chimaera we have had quite a few "Avian Draughts" over the last year....literally where you could sell your soul and not find much, due to the length between decent/good spawns. In this situation, anyone will struggle. I know this because i was/am friends with the biggest Doc to ever hit our server (imo) Dr. Soo....of course we talked on the issue and i was generally aware of how much Avian/Meat/Resourse he was pulling in and i know that even at times he found it hard to get decent amounts. No matter how tall you stand, sometimes you just cant avoid such problems....no matter how hard you try...if the physics deny your request....you are um...in hot water You can hoard all you want...if you dont get another spawn for 3 months and your a major supplier...you will be looking around. But of course, important to remember...if successful this method is tied in with the 'Resourse Effort', this is just a rather cunning, first line approach.

And Finally: Avian ASIDE...lets bring in C4, let me introduce you to Lokian Wild Wheat...etc...etc. All these resourses, not mentioning the rest are highly difficult to A) Find B) Buy when only the best will do and lets face it...if your a 'committed crafter', if you are interested in crafting as oppossed to making a cheap buck then you're aiming for the best. This said, even the 2nd and 3rd rate spawns on some resourses can, in a dry patch end up being extreemly difficult to locate/purchase also. Avian may be seen as the big one...but if you've got your Avian and your Dom Oats suck to high heaven...someone's in trouble Basically, the whole 'Resourse Challenge' is universal to every resourse in Doctor crafting..when you top-up one lvl...another goes down. As i know 90% of Major Doc Crafters on my server, i can tell you...NO ONE avoids this ever, it hits everyone at some point. It is a challenge, i want to keep it

Message Edited by EtosG on 12-09-2004 07:44 PM

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Rere wrote:

Also, even if I did manage to get 100k of it, it would most certainly had not been enough to keep crafting till this day, since that was the best meat we ever had and it's been6 months old. (Notice that we haven't seen not even a similar spawn since that day).

Message Edited by Rere on 12-08-2004 06:00 AM

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Hivo was close.

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Nimhnoid wrote:

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Rere wrote:

Also, even if I did manage to get 100k of it, it would most certainly had not been enough to keep crafting till this day, since that was the best meat we ever had and it's been6 months old. (Notice that we haven't seen not even a similar spawn since that day).

Message Edited by Rere on 12-08-2004 06:00 AM

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Hivo was close.

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Yep. Most Docs actually managed to hit the 900 with Hivo. But Hivo is 4 months old now too.