Doctor Archive

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Marrow1 wrote:

Enhance D duration = 12000 + 130 * (6*Avian DR + 4*Avian OQ + 6*Gas DR + 4*Gas OQ)/20

(credit goes to Happymob for deriving this equation)

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Lunariel wrote:

You are right on the separate rolls, but there is actuallya kind of sharing. After the 2 rolls a redistribution factor is applied to each of them to get the final percentage gain.

You can easily test this out for yourself. Amazing success is exactly 8.05%, great is 7% and good is 3.5%. Given the formula of 40+760*percentage, the gains would then be 61.18, 53.2 and 26.6 on the power. A master doctor is likely to get most of the rolls as great success. So using distinctely lower DR, you will notice that you gain far below 53.2 at the start. Then the gains get closer to 53.2 as you reach the maximum for the duration. After that you will see you power gain diminishing again. If you repeat the test a few times you will be able toobserve when you get amazing success or lower than great.

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I have observed this over the course of experimenting, but it does not mean that DR is affecting the effectiveness. The system sets a maximum for every stat when you assemble the pack. It's based on the effectiveness ratings of the components and the OQ and PE ratings of the resources. While you do seem to approach that maximum at a faster rate when you are near the max for the duration, if you are able to max the line you will always get to the same max for effectiveness. Because the line handles two stats, the percentage listed in the experimentation window can be ignored, as it is an average from the 2 stats. It will increase at only half the rate once one of the stats hit it's cap, because the capped stat shows a 0% increase.

Here's the simple way to test what effect, if any, the DR has on the effectiveness.Make 2 packs with 2 different avian meats that have vastlydifferent DRs (changing the gas would also work, I changed the meat when I did it). Compare the base effectiveness (no experimentation) and finaleffectiveness after all experimentation is done (the highest you can get to). Then compare the sum of the OQ and PEof the different meats (or just the OQ if you changed the gas). I used 2 meats with an OQ+PE difference of only 2.5%a DR difference of 1280% and a difference in .6*DR+.4*OQ of 189%. The differences in the crafted packs were 1.5% for base effectiveness and 1.4% in final effectiveness. That's not 2.5%, but given the huge difference in DRs, it shows that there was no effect. Here are the raw numbers for anyone who wants to check the math. Naturally, I used the same components and reative gasfor both.

Avian Meat #1: OQ 880, PE 854, DR 45

Avian Meat #2: OQ 928, PE 763, DR 576

Pack #1: Base effectiveness 329, base duration 2890, final effectiveness 805, final duration 8439

Pack #2: Base effectiveness 324, base duration 3642, final effectiveness 794, final duration 10635

Obviously I didn't use my best resources for this. I just went for the biggest difference in DR that I could while keeping the difference in OQ+PE small.

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Marrow1 wrote:

Enhance D duration = 12000 + 130 * (6*Avian DR + 4*Avian OQ + 6*Gas DR + 4*Gas OQ)/20

(credit goes to Happymob for deriving this equation)

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Obata wrote:

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Lunariel wrote:

You are right on the separate rolls, but there is actually a kind of sharing. After the 2 rolls a redistribution factor is applied to each of them to get the final percentage gain.

You can easily test this out for yourself. Amazing success is exactly 8.05%, great is 7% and good is 3.5%. Given the formula of 40+760*percentage, the gains would then be 61.18, 53.2 and 26.6 on the power. A master doctor is likely to get most of the rolls as great success. So using distinctely lower DR, you will notice that you gain far below 53.2 at the start. Then the gains get closer to 53.2 as you reach the maximum for the duration. After that you will see you power gain diminishing again. If you repeat the test a few times you will be able to observe when you get amazing success or lower than great.

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I have observed this over the course of experimenting, but it does not mean that DR is affecting the effectiveness. The system sets a maximum for every stat when you assemble the pack. It's based on the effectiveness ratings of the components and the OQ and PE ratings of the resources. While you do seem to approach that maximum at a faster rate when you are near the max for the duration, if you are able to max the line you will always get to the same max for effectiveness. Because the line handles two stats, the percentage listed in the experimentation window can be ignored, as it is an average from the 2 stats. It will increase at only half the rate once one of the stats hit it's cap, because the capped stat shows a 0% increase.

Here's the simple way to test what effect, if any, the DR has on the effectiveness. Make 2 packs with 2 different avian meats that have vastly different DRs (changing the gas would also work, I changed the meat when I did it). Compare the base effectiveness (no experimentation) and final effectiveness after all experimentation is done (the highest you can get to). Then compare the sum of the OQ and PE of the different meats (or just the OQ if you changed the gas). I used 2 meats with an OQ+PE difference of only 2.5% a DR difference of 1280% and a difference in .6*DR+.4*OQ of 189%. The differences in the crafted packs were 1.5% for base effectiveness and 1.4% in final effectiveness. That's not 2.5%, but given the huge difference in DRs, it shows that there was no effect. Here are the raw numbers for anyone who wants to check the math. Naturally, I used the same components and reative gas for both.

Avian Meat #1: OQ 880, PE 854, DR 45

Avian Meat #2: OQ 928, PE 763, DR 576

Pack #1: Base effectiveness 329, base duration 2890, final effectiveness 805, final duration 8439

Pack #2: Base effectiveness 324, base duration 3642, final effectiveness 794, final duration 10635

Obviously I didn't use my best resources for this. I just went for the biggest difference in DR that I could while keeping the difference in OQ+PE small.

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