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Thread: Abnormal action buffs must stop!

Obata
Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:36 pm
#14






Flynn_Nomad wrote:

If you could get the durations to match and the Power high, that would be ideal.


Can this be figured out?


Is it possible?








It can be figured out. It's not even hard to figure out. What is difficult is finding the right combination of resources to do it. I was fortunate enough to have avian meat with very high OQ/PE and DR and reactive gas with 950+ OQ and 760+ DR (might be off some, going from memory). That made it pretty easy to match the durations, I just used the best resources I had for those 3 stats. It didn't match perfectly, but was pretty close. The problem I face now is when a guild mate gets buffed by another doc. Most docs on my server are either out of the high DR avian meat, or don't use it for the packs that they sell (I only use mine for buffing friends and guildies, not to sell). We've had a couple spawns of avian with high OQ and PE but low DR. Most of the packs currently on the market were made from these spawns. The average buff duration has dropped to 2.5 hours for all but action. That makes it possible for the action packs that were only made for power to still last longer than the others (2.5 hours isn't hard to beat). I have 3.5+ hour packs that I use only on friends and guildies (I don't sell buffs, only packs). My packs easily go over almost every other doc's buffs, except for action. I still have to kill and rez some people so I can give them a full set of long duration buffs. I could make action packs that have higher power, but what good is that if they drop an hour before the others do?



Obata Lightingflier (Deceased): Master Doctor, Master Combat Medic - Wanderhome
Opos Odet (Deceased): Master Artisan, Master Merchant, Master Musician - Wanderhome
Etowiosee
Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:06 pm
#15

The buffs I sell when I buff the general public are PERFECTLY matched. the Duration is exactly the same right down to the second (3 hours 37 minutes and some odd seconds). They hit within 10 of each other on each stat. I don't know of anyone other than those in our guild that has a set like these. I don't even charge an arm and a leg for these either. 12K in Coronet and 15K on Advanced planets. I could probably get 15K in Coronet alone for them.
w1ggle
Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:29 pm
#16

If this is an issue of importance to you, then be sure to vote for #2 in the "Question to the Devs" thread stickied at the top of this forum.




Farlon Daytide - Master Doctor/Master Rifleman
Obata
Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:41 pm
#17






BrainMandinga wrote:

Think about the fact that dancers/entertainers/musicians never need all 6 stats buffed, just the action stats which would lend itself to the reasoning behind this. That is how I see it.






In truth though, all entertainers need is quickness. There is no need to buff their action or stamina, as a quickness buff keeps them from using any action.



Obata Lightingflier (Deceased): Master Doctor, Master Combat Medic - Wanderhome
Opos Odet (Deceased): Master Artisan, Master Merchant, Master Musician - Wanderhome
Darkblade101
Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:39 pm
#18

I agree with UrXii on all the buffs should be made with avian,i really dont understand why they made it that way.


I personally make all my packs with avian ,all the same durations,all the same enhance.


I have been complemented on my buffs being the same,i dont buff for money anymore either,but they say their customers like it also.


But for me it is a personal touch i put to my packs,and i use them myself and cant stand waiting an extra 30 min or so to get a full set of buffs again.


Also with a set of 2400 buffs anyones specials wont use any action unless maybe they have a horrid ham set of comp armor.


What good would 100 or so more action do anyway,nothing for me





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LordOfFatness
Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:26 pm
#19






Darkblade101 wrote:

But for me it is a personal touch i put to my packs,and i use them myself and cant stand waiting an extra 30 min or so to get a full set of buffs again.





If you are buffing yourself, the extra thirty minutes makes no difference. You can rebuff your action and reset the timer. I understand concerns with a customer not being able to overwrite the action buff because another docs action enhance might not be as good. In my position though, I only buff friends and myself, so this is not a problem. Why would I not want to save my Avian Meat and Reactive Gas?

Padtai
Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:07 pm
#20

Doesn't bother me whether I'm buffing others or myself. Most people do not necessarily play more than 3 hours straight....without dying. Plus, the fact that you can't overwrite the action buff is simple--just make up a pack with regular org/inorg to use for those situations. Then the rest of your customers can be given your nice "even" set of buffs. And back before you could overwrite at all--I used to let people kill each other and I'd rez if they were desperate.


Personally, I think getting even buffs is sort of a waste of good resources and crafting...you can make an effort to get all the buffs exactly the same duration, throwing out packs if you mess up your nice set (for example, if you give too many quickness buffs to dancers, leaving yourself with the next batch of buffs you bought/made just b/c the duration went from 3.4 to 2.8 due to resource shifts). I hunt all my own meat, make all my own packs, mostly for personal use. I hate to throw out packs just b/c one is better than the other. In the tire example, its not that one is made from paper machie--its that 3 are made from paper, and one is made from rubber. I think some customers like getting them all the same, but others will be happy to roll along on the rubber tire for what its worth til they can pull back to starport. As I said, its not like you can't change out the rubber tire when the papers wear. Once you have been a doc long enough to see a few bad shifts of resources, you'll start to wonder if its worth it to put the best stuff into buffs for secondaries that dont' benefit players all that much (once the cost on specials is basically 0, what good is adding more to lowering the cost?) just to keep stuff "even".




DarthXanthic
Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:12 pm
#21






Padtai wrote:

Doesn't bother me whether I'm buffing others or myself. Most people do not necessarily play more than 3 hours straight....without dying. Plus, the fact that you can't overwrite the action buff is simple--just make up a pack with regular org/inorg to use for those situations. Then the rest of your customers can be given your nice "even" set of buffs. And back before you could overwrite at all--I used to let people kill each other and I'd rez if they were desperate.


Personally, I think getting even buffs is sort of a waste of good resources and crafting...you can make an effort to get all the buffs exactly the same duration, throwing out packs if you mess up your nice set (for example, if you give too many quickness buffs to dancers, leaving yourself with the next batch of buffs you bought/made just b/c the duration went from 3.4 to 2.8 due to resource shifts). I hunt all my own meat, make all my own packs, mostly for personal use. I hate to throw out packs just b/c one is better than the other. In the tire example, its not that one is made from paper machie--its that 3 are made from paper, and one is made from rubber. I think some customers like getting them all the same, but others will be happy to roll along on the rubber tire for what its worth til they can pull back to starport. As I said, its not like you can't change out the rubber tire when the papers wear. Once you have been a doc long enough to see a few bad shifts of resources, you'll start to wonder if its worth it to put the best stuff into buffs for secondaries that dont' benefit players all that much (once the cost on specials is basically 0, what good is adding more to lowering the cost?) just to keep stuff "even".






I can't remember the last time I died PvE.


I play more than 3 hours all the time.


I didn't read the rest it started to hurt my eyes.




DarthXanthic
Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:02 am
#22

I always use avian/reactive in action, it needs to be changed.


I'm one of the only people I know that can overwrite a crappy 2500 action Buff.


If your action is gonna last 4 hours or 1 hour while THE 5 OTHERS LAST 3 hours that just seems like crappy customer service to me.


"Hey I changed your tires sir, but since rubber is so expensive I made one of the tires out of paper meche. Teh good news is that its a 20" tire, but of course being paper mache, I'd say its only gonna last 1000 miles vs the 3000 miles of the rubber tires. Hey, at least you can come back to my shop and buy new tires sooner eh!"


Um, no.


DarthXanthic
Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:04 am
#23






Tiberian74 wrote:



also if someone i have buffed comes back to me and wants rebuffing i just over write the old action buff with the new set of buffs im about togive them, so i still dont see the problem of them having to come back an hour into the second set of buffs

Message Edited by Tiberian74 on 04-28-2004 05:15 AM






That's because your greedy I assume?


You want to use inorganic/organic because its cheaper, and also because you get to buff people more.


Nice doctor you are.


If you want to make the highest possible pack you can, why not get good resources or some janta blood, why take the easy way out?


I for one hope they change this soon, as it makes less than no sense than an action enhancement would have different requirements than the 5 other stats.

Tiberian74
Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:27 am
#24






DarthXanthic wrote:





Tiberian74 wrote:



also if someone i have buffed comes back to me and wants rebuffing i just over write the old action buff with the new set of buffs im about togive them, so i still dont see the problem of them having to come back an hour into the second set of buffs

Message Edited by Tiberian74 on 04-28-2004 05:15 AM






That's because your greedy I assume?


You want to use inorganic/organic because its cheaper, and also because you get to buff people more.


Nice doctor you are.


If you want to make the highest possible pack you can, why not get good resources or some janta blood, why take the easy way out?


I for one hope they change this soon, as it makes less than no sense than an action enhancement would have different requirements than the 5 other stats.






how am i beeing greedy ? lol thats the most stpid thing i have heared, as for janta blood got some, id say i have in total 20+ janta blood i have looted raging from 2 identical to 6 identical units, most is the normal 10/100 some is alittle higher, with the normal 10/100 i made a base value health pack of 995 which i thought was quite good for my 1st ever janta pack, again im hoping to break the 1000mark with a 10/100 janta blood and im sure i can.



1 last thing, only people i usually buff are my friends and guild mates, so again please explain how im being greedy... if i was a 'buff bot' for want of a better word why should i not use the best resoucse i can find to make the best buff i can, then go buffing the general public earn my self a good name as doc who can proved good high powered buffs at all times and get business from the doc's who dont put the time and effort into finding the best resouce avalible then spending time, effort (hunting if is meat, surveying with 0001 artisn to find the best spot for harvs) and money (buying bar 13 havs4 of each type then paying the running costs)into harvesting said resourse. anyone can find the best resourse for the server they are on easy (swgcraft anyone) if you cant be bothered to put the time and effort into it then thats your problem not mine. and if i were on your server and i was buffing for cash and took your business then maybe you should look as to why i did and do something about it ingame instead of crying about it on here, which going on your comment about me being greedy you might well do

DarthXanthic
Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:32 am
#25

Wow you have 20 janta bloods and made a 995 pack!
DarthXanthic
Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:33 am
#26

I don't buff for money either, so I don't care one way or the other what you did, I just don't see the sense in a set not matching, that's all.
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