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Thread: Doctor forum flooding with disrespect threads.--Solutions?
Marzuk147 wrote:
I give up.. Theres no talking to someone who thinks bieng a medic and trying to find a "real" group is a good way of earning money as a doctor.
FYI, I dont sit on my ass at coronet, nor do I sell buffs. I run solo missions just like everyone else and their brother.
Regardless if you sit on your rump or not....you asked how to do it. But if you choose to be all anti-socialand in a way exploit the game by running solo missions just like everyone else and their brother....that is not my problem. I gave you advice to spice up your game, make some friends, and TRUELY earn respect from other players by actually PLAYING your doctor skills.....youdeciededto make more excuses, not my problem. If you don't believe me about the grouping advice that I offered try it before being all "I give up..."
I think you will be suprised with the results....I also think you would be suprised at how many people are looking for the "Old school" hunting groups. Try posting in your galaxy forum if you don't believe me about that either.
NiViK wrote:As a doc...the only way to make money sadly to say is public buffing...making and selling buffpacks/stims... and taking up a combat profession and hunting.
I see that I am not the only one that feels this way.
"What is your exact response? "No." Or "I'm sorry, but I'm not buffing the public. I'm a little busy right now, I'm sorry." Too much to type out? Write a /reply macro and hotkey it."
It really depends, but my usual canned response is Sorry I do not sell buffs. Yesterday I was sitting with a PA member way off the normal path, and some guy comes up and waves at me who has no wounds, so I say Hi. Then I say sorry Im not selling buffs . He was like damn how did you guess. I was thinking ok, hes not going to jump me about it like half the other people do. Result? He starts in to lecture me on how I shouldnt wear my tag if Im not buffing, and how Im a 5 year old because I wont give him what he wants ect.
I dont buff for a few reasons. One is the profit is not worth the hassel. I dont carry bivoli or havla because the price is not worth it for those not PvPing. If a 1900 buff will keep me alive with 9 janta beating on me, and it will keep a couple PA members alive vs a nightsister, I really dont see what the big deal is in shooting for 2500. This would lead to ALOT of complaints. My PA doesnt care, and knows I dont carry food. The general public however would not be so kind Id bet. I also dont want the hassel of finding buffpacks. I buy from someone who has good prices, and a good product, and as such this person does not always have buffs. I dont want to have to scramble around constantly trying to find buffs. I bought enough for 150 buffs, and that kind of supply just doesnt last for public buffing.
To me its kind of like my armorsmith friend - he doesnt sell wookie armor because its inconvienant. Or my weaponsmith friend, who doesnt make many VKs, for whatever reason. People dont throw a tantrum over that, they just find someplace else to buy what they want, but with buffs, people just seem to get quite angry.
The thing Ive noticed on this board, is many doctors lie when they dont want to buff. They say I dont have packs ect. Why do they lie? They lie to avoid this type of confrontation that I have problems with.
"If you feel that you don't have to be polite, then they shouldn't have to be polite to you either. I always have time for my customers, no matter how many tells I have or how many people are in line. Try this one: "I'm sorry everyone, I'm stuck in tell hell at the moment. Just give me one second to sort all this stuff out. =)" Too busy to type it out? See above."
Just remember, I said there is nothing wrong with bieng concise and that you can still be polite, you dont have to have a big conversation with someone in order to be polite.
"I agree that medics and docs were very underappreciated at one time. I remember the forums were filled with "I don't get tips when I heal" threads. I decided a long time ago that I wasn't a medic/doc for money, and a wonderful thing happened.... when I didn't care about the tips, people tipped me. When you're more worried about your profits than your customer satisfaction, it shows and the customers tune into it."
Its not the money. I estimate that the latest set of woundpacks I made take 4 units of resource per heal, so thats 24 units of resource to heal all the wounds for a person or at 10cpu 240 credits if I were just selling raw materials. A 500 credit tip and a thanks doc! would go a long way towards making me happy, but it seems there is no happy medium. Ive had the rare nice person that tips 10k sure, but an astonishing portion of people run off without even saying so much as Hi.
Marzuk147 wrote:
NiViK wrote:
As a doc...the only way to make money sadly to say is public buffing...making and selling buffpacks/stims... and taking up a combat profession and hunting.
I see that I am not the only one that feels this way.
"What is your exact response? "No." Or "I'm sorry, but I'm not buffing the public. I'm a little busy right now, I'm sorry." Too much to type out? Write a /reply macro and hotkey it."
It really depends, but my usual canned response is Sorry I do not sell buffs. Yesterday I was sitting with a PA member way off the normal path, and some guy comes up and waves at me who has no wounds, so I say Hi. Then I say sorry Im not selling buffs . He was like damn how did you guess. I was thinking ok, hes not going to jump me about it like half the other people do. Result? He starts in to lecture me on how I shouldnt wear my tag if Im not buffing, and how Im a 5 year old because I wont give him what he wants ect.
/addignore xxxxx is the best thing to do in a case like this as I'm sure you most likely did. I can't argue with the fact that this does happen, but my reply was always: "Hey, I earned my Master Doctor title and I wear it proudly. Master Doctor does in no way shape or form spell "Hey I'm buffing for xxk Credits." If you don't like that continue to insult me and you will end up on my ingnore list."
Usually worked, and in some cases, I even made a few friends and allies for putting the person in his/her place for actually speaking up as to why I always wore my MD Title. Could it be considered rude...perhaps, but I consider it a fair warning for the party involved to either A. Shut up or B. Leave without saying another word.
I dont buff for a few reasons. One is the profit is not worth the hassel. I dont carry bivoli or havla because the price is not worth it for those not PvPing. If a 1900 buff will keep me alive with 9 janta beating on me, and it will keep a couple PA members alive vs a nightsister, I really dont see what the big deal is in shooting for 2500. This would lead to ALOT of complaints. My PA doesnt care, and knows I dont carry food. The general public however would not be so kind Id bet. I also dont want the hassel of finding buffpacks. I buy from someone who has good prices, and a good product, and as such this person does not always have buffs. I dont want to have to scramble around constantly trying to find buffs. I bought enough for 150 buffs, and that kind of supply just doesnt last for public buffing.
Just another reason I never paid for my buffs. Some docs don't craft their own packs for whatever reason....and while I think that is just being lazy, so probably do have reasons. I never will understand why people will pay for buffs when it is far cheaper to actually harvest your own for a week straight like a mad man...and be set for resources for a few weeks.
As for the food, this I don't know about your assumption. Most people will take buffs regardless what the Max is....and in most cases I've been in food was never really a factor. It could have changed, but I still think in most cases people will take buffs regardless the power and/or speed of service.
To me its kind of like my armorsmith friend - he doesnt sell wookie armor because its inconvienant. Or my weaponsmith friend, who doesnt make many VKs, for whatever reason. People dont throw a tantrum over that, they just find someplace else to buy what they want, but with buffs, people just seem to get quite angry.
Dunno where you get the angery part, I have run into a few "interesting" people I must admit, but as said before they don't like it.../addignore xxxx The large scale problem with buffs is people don't know how to NOT use them anymore. And thats a shame.
The thing Ive noticed on this board, is many doctors lie when they dont want to buff. They say I dont have packs ect. Why do they lie? They lie to avoid this type of confrontation that I have problems with.
As you said before...sometimes a simple "no or sorry I can't" just isn't enough. People got this weird "Master Doctor = Buffing" thing in their head....when in most cases the MD is just doing something else at the time. Can't really argue with the fact that telling a lie to avoid customer or players in general is a good way to go or is it the right thing to do, but I can see how sometimes it could prevent a "confrontation" of sorts. However MOST people will respect your "No I'm busy right now"
"If you feel that you don't have to be polite, then they shouldn't have to be polite to you either. I always have time for my customers, no matter how many tells I have or how many people are in line. Try this one: "I'm sorry everyone, I'm stuck in tell hell at the moment. Just give me one second to sort all this stuff out. =)" Too busy to type it out? See above."
Just remember, I said there is nothing wrong with bieng concise and that you can still be polite, you dont have to have a big conversation with someone in order to be polite.
No you don't, however sometimes the tone of how a person TYPEs things can be taken the wrong way. Trust me....if a person types on a "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah " and you reply with No.....your going to make someone very unhappy. Even if its a "hello xxxx, I see that you have a Master Doctor title up, do you happen to be buffing at this time?" and you just say No....that is rude in my opinion. A better response would be "No I'm sorry xxxx I'm currently busy at this time" Or if you are buffing instead of saying "yes" how about a "Yes I'm at xxxx xxxx payment is xxk and the line is about 5 deep"
Doctors are frequently in tell hell, but if you take time to answer the people that are taking the time to actually ask you a WAY more polite "are you buffing" Statement...they will appreciate it. If its a "are you buffing" Then a simply Yes/No is appropreate. Haha, and if its a "r u buffin" a simple "y/n" will do because laziness works both ways.
"I agree that medics and docs were very underappreciated at one time. I remember the forums were filled with "I don't get tips when I heal" threads. I decided a long time ago that I wasn't a medic/doc for money, and a wonderful thing happened.... when I didn't care about the tips, people tipped me. When you're more worried about your profits than your customer satisfaction, it shows and the customers tune into it."
Its not the money. I estimate that the latest set of woundpacks I made take 4 units of resource per heal, so thats 24 units of resource to heal all the wounds for a person or at 10cpu 240 credits if I were just selling raw materials. A 500 credit tip and a thanks doc! would go a long way towards making me happy, but it seems there is no happy medium. Ive had the rare nice person that tips 10k sure, but an astonishing portion of people run off without even saying so much as Hi.
Again....get your own resources and you won't have this "10cpu = 240c = 4 units = 24 uses = blah blah" You said your self you hunted Janta's like everyone else. so instead of doingsolo groups like everyone else, get 20k picket missions or something like that. Its adds up very fast...AND whatever you don't use sell on the Bazaar....I do it all the time and make a ton of cash ever for the most crap resources ever placed on the server. TRUST ME you will harvest a TON of resources in just 1 trip....even with NOVICE scout.
And I'm sorry, but if your paying that much for Heal pack resources...wow....I would stick with pack B's and use whatever resources I can get even if they suck.....SOMETHING is better then NOTHING. Get your own resources will save you a TON of money, and to be honest time...
Im just kind of sitting back right now. I just started back up playing, and I dont have the muscle or resources to make a really good pack yet. I do not believe in mining 8 different things at a time, because it makes the cost to mine go up (constantly moving harvesters, traveling to different planets ect). Right now, I wait until something good spawns, and I put 10 harvesters down on it. I have 16 lots total at my disposal for mining and usually have 6 heavy on something else.
"Again....get your own resources and you won't have this "10cpu = 240c = 4 units = 24 uses = blah blah""
This again isnt quite what it seems to be. I have my own resources, and have an array of wound medicine. It ranges from 1 shot full action and health heals, to medium high charge heals. The only reason why I say what I say, is that frankly it sucks to constantly spend money on people that treat you like crap.
"I do it all the time and make a ton of cash ever for the most crap resources ever placed on the server. TRUST ME you will harvest a TON of resources in just 1 trip....even with NOVICE scout."
Hehe, scouting time is already taken up hunting for tissue resources that I harvest for my BE to make tissues for the guild tailor, and if not that, Ill be going after herbavore / avian when it shows up with good numbers.
Like I was saying, its not really a money thing, its just in general, when I take the time to talk to someone, you know, Hi, wow you got wounded ect - its really angry to know you are spending money on a person thats just going to ignore you and run off when you are done spending money on them. While I do not buff, I usually heal wounds, disease, and poison all the time, stopping in med centers when I blow through town doing something else.
I kind of figure that buffing for me is boring, and there are several doctors usually selling it as a service, that I dont need to buff.
Message Edited by Harleqiun on 10-04-2004 06:15 AM
You have to ask yourself, why does that not happen with doctors, when most have a 10+ line, and people hate waiting? I mean you would think that people would do the doc thing and make uber money, and cater to demand right?
Thats the problem - the work is boring, there is little time for interaction with others because of the massive amounts of questions, you are chained to a spot once people start paying you, and on top of all of this, the pay is probably about 1/3 what you can make as a combat class with buffs per hour. Oh, and dont forget, combat makes tons of money while grinding fs xp and will open that slot FAR faster than a doc or crafter and become padawan.
Poor pay + poor conditions = little interest in filling that role.
(Again, keep in mind pay here is compared to combat mission payout)