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Thread: Why do we charge 15k for buffs?

Miqmac
Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:53 pm
#14

15k? is that what it goes for now? I don't charge anything. Of course thats because the only buffs i give are to myself so that I can run Mokk missions and make more money in a shorter amount of time with a little more excitement and some decent loot.. but thats just me
Loriana
Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:21 pm
#15

try being on scylla where the meat was just at 250cpu a few weeks ago...i gave up trying to make my own buffs but if i go buy them they are 150 to 250k for a backpack with a stack of each kind in the pack...i gave up public buffing because although i saw profit after buying buffs and food and drink there just wasnt always much left over
ExperiencedPilot
Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:33 pm
#16

Well , for me if i buy crates of 5 of each stat , when they are all done I make around 900k profit ... minus food and drink mabye 800k profit but probably more ...


My buffs are at 2618 now , and well I sell them for 12k and most people in all there rudeness mock me and say I overcharge and its not worth it and all that....


But for a 2360 they are more than willing to pay 10k ?!?!?!? **edit** is up with that ? I'd charge 20k per buff if no one else was buffing around !


What ive been wanting to do is get a bunch of docs on Eclipse , like 3-4 go to mining outpost on dant and ALL of us advertise for 20k , if no one likes it they can waste there time going to coronet and back .I dont understand people they get around 30k a mission and do can run 2 missions in about 5-6 minutes if they are close to one another... and yet they complain about 12k? That is one thing that really pisses me off about public buffing! But , I do it anyhow and I make money out of it and those ppl that talk **edit** about me overpricing well too bad !


You say 15k is the min on some servers ?? On eclipse its 10k min and even im seeing ppl doing 2400 buffs for 8k now , wich is really screwing it up for other docs.


As about buff packs , like i said i currently buy mine but im novice scout/tkm/doc so i can very easily get meats , and i got a bunch of harvesters so I just tend to get any good resource that is in a certain shift and until I get everything I need I buy , no im not 12 point doc and just for all you out there that think you can't make ur own if ur not 2 point doc thats wrong if you got good resources all around you can make nice buffs...

Just yesterday a friend of mine who is 10 point doc made buff packs of 948 power wich will go like if not 2600+ then close to it !

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Sunakk
Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:15 pm
#17

Just tonight on Valcyn I charged 15k for buffs at the Dant Mining Outpost. I was the only doctor buffing, and my 2400 buffs were quite popular. Still, I had the occasional comments that my prices were "outrageous", even though it would cost several thousand credits and a good deal of time to shuttle to Coronet and back for buffs there. I think of buffing directly on Dantooine as an extra service. If players die and need a buff, they don't have to travel. If players happen to be on Dant and want to do a POI or Janta missions, they don't have to wait for the shuttle to buff. If I bought the Janta blood buff packs that are out there (1000 base power), I know i would charge 20k per buff set. But I know I would hear nothing but complaints, so it wouldn't evenbe worth it.


It is quite peculiar how some servers get used to having a price cap for buffs (10k no matter what the stats), yet on others you regularily hear docs selling for 12k or 13k. I guess it just depends on what the players became adjusted to when buffs became popular.



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Sweere
Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:57 am
#18

On one side of the house, as a Master Fencer running Mokk/Janta Missions I can generate about 1.5 - 2 mil in a buff session, but that is dependant on terminal loads and how close the missions actually are.


Now on the other side of the house, I imagine a person could make a rather large sum buffing people in starports, seeing that it only takes a little over a minute to buff another. With a mass supply of packs, (the ability to continue to buff people for the entire duration of one of your buffs) I would think you could make well more than any combat profession. But ah, I'm not willing to attempt that idea.



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SlowNStoopid
Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:48 am
#19






Sweere wrote:

On one side of the house, as a Master Fencer running Mokk/Janta Missions I can generate about 1.5 - 2 mil in a buff session, but that is dependant on terminal loads and how close the missions actually are.


Now on the other side of the house, I imagine a person could make a rather large sum buffing people in starports, seeing that it only takes a little over a minute to buff another. With a mass supply of packs, (the ability to continue to buff people for the entire duration of one of your buffs) I would think you could make well more than any combat profession. But ah, I'm not willing to attempt that idea.

Not likely. 16 secs minimum between buffs, 6 buffs per set = 96secs. Assuming that you do not break to take bivoli, recharge your droid, greet your customer, check if the tip came in, answer the inevitable flood of tells and questions and all your customers pay on time and withoutany questions (that will be the day), you can buff at most 37.5 people in one hour. At 10k per, that's 375k/hr and 1.125m/3 hrs. Even if you factor in havla, there is only so little that you can take before you hit a full stomach and get the rest whining at you about the lack of bivoli in your buffs. I'd like to see anyone try that regularly without losing their sanity. LOL. The more realistic amount would be anything between 100-250k/hr, results varying.


Now as a master fencer and using an actual example, 1mil in 3 hours running solo Janta/Mokk missions is easy enough. 1.5mil is if I work efficiently without slacking, and 2 mil requires many of the BBQ pits to be located close together.So no, docs can't earn more than ANY combat profession. Fencer alone is already more profitable with lower costs, effortandnerve damage than buffmonkeying. Now if buffs were 20k/ set.... haha, I won't go there.







How many of the same buffmonkeys do you see on your servers turning up day after day, month after month, just to buff the public? Few, if any at all, will last more than a month. Most are simplyblinded by the constant spam of "XXXX buffs Xhrs XXmin - 10k!". They see only the revenue coming in but never the costs. They'll learn after a while. If it was really that great a way to earn credits, I wouldn't be getting constant tells from the buff-hungrywho can't find a buffmonkey.


Charge what you what to charge, if people want it, they'll pay, if not, they won't. People who constantly complain about "greedy" docs are alsousually the ones who go "but I don't buff the public anymore". Ifit bothers you so much that there are too many "greedy" docs out there, grab your droid and put your time, effort, moneyand sanity where your mouth is. The masses will thank you for it and so willDocs like me who like to wear our tags without getting a "Stats and price?" tell every other minute.


Let docs charge what they think their time, effort and resources are worth to them, that's their input and their choice. Buffs arenot a necessity. If you choose to play your game in such a way that makes you feel that buffs are a necessity, then that's your choice. This is a game, you won't suffer a heart attack without a buff and the docs are not real docs either, just players who want to have a good time and earn credits like other professions.


Anyone who tells me that IHAVE to charge more or less for MY time, effort and resource can kiss me where the sun don't shine.

SlowNStoopid
Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:07 am
#20

Oh, and on Tempest, even the current spawn of not-so-fantastic avian meat is going for 150cpu. Premium avian meat goes for anything up to 450cpu. Before the current spawn of Class 4 Liq Petro, auctions for the one good spawn in the history of Tempest started at 50cpu. There was even someone offering 800+OQ Talusian water for 200cpu, which hesaid was what his friends told him to price it at. Anything related to docs will usually be inflated by the same people who complain about the cost of a buff. And sometimes it's caused by docs themselves, the few big-time producers who drive the price up to get what they want and because they can. Keyword: Player-run economy.


And the market price for abuff is still only 10k, plus or minus 2k. So like most docs, "but I don't buff the public anymore". LOL.
Ikrin
Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:41 am
#21

When people complain about my buff prices, I double the price. When they complain again, I double again. It really makes the other people in line laugh


I generally buff late at night and on Saturdays and Sundays with my buff partner (yay Lindi). We agonized over raising prices for our buffs, but the cost of avian really caused us to have to do it. You know what? Nearly everyone we buff says that our consistent good humor and the fact that we interact with the buffees makes it fun to be in our buff lines. The fact that I have Havla buffing DOWN and regularly pop off like 10-15 people on one charge by timing it doesn't hurt either


Charge what you want, it's your demeanor that often makes the difference.



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Zanholo
Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:02 am
#22

"A bit off topic but how does one earn 2M per buff session doing Janta/Mokk missions?"


don't store your swoop till you're getting your next buff session, don't take missions further 900m, get missions in the same direction, kill themfast and move, don't let anything else divert your attention... (this and 3.5 hour buffs...)


As far as people complaining about prices....they are idiots if they do. /salute The Docs!!!




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StandUpWookie
Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:17 am
#23

Basically you charge what you want to. If you go to the outpost on Dant and charge 10k for buffs people will start /banktiping you. If there are three other docs there charging 10k and you start charging 25k, people will start to banktip you. Its assumed (and rightly so) that those at the MO are doing Janta/mokk missions for around 26k a pop. So they can EASILY afford to pay whatever you charge. Heck, you can charge 50k if you want people will still pay.


The problem of costs first comes from the scouts who charge INSANE prices for their meats.


Then there are those who only buy the buffpacks, which normally sell for around 15k per pack. Then you gotta factor in the bivoli (halva too) droid batteris, travel, etc....so 15k per buff is an "ok" profit. Certainly not "janta-profit".


I took up MD just to buff myself cause I didnt want to wait in line or be caught somewhere dangerous when my buffs ran out.


HOWEVER there are other characters who cannot solo Janta missions. I just started a fencer on another server and for that character, 15k is a lot of money. I can run 2k missions from Theed and make about 25k in a session (I need to get the right missions etc speeder repair, 6k for singles of brandy, weapon, powerups, stims) So I pretty much make a small profit. Of course once I cannot afford any armor now so I am fighting nekkid (fencer, so no big deal) but basically the plan for lower chars is to get money to get armor then go to MO for Janta cash.


So it depends where you are. If you are sitting in Mos Eisley (newbie starter area) and charge 25k for buffs you prob wont get anyone. But if you charge 10k you wll help us noobs out.


Charge what you want, there will always be someone charging less and there will always be someone charging more.The game is played so that most combat characters cannot adventure without buffs. There will always be a surplus market for them (unless buffs get changed dramatically)


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KawaiiTsuki
Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:33 pm
#24


10-15k for buffs, wow....I'm really underselling I guess.


I generally sell my buffs for 6k a set. I buy my buffs currently as I am working on collecting enough resources to start selling them myself. At 500k/150 buffs that comes to 3.xk/buff to break even so I am still making money.


Of course I could make more by selling higher but I wonder why? I don't sell buffs as my means of making money and only buff myself, guildies, and upon request.And my buffs aren't bad either, 2486-2516 3h.


But then again, when you average 12mil per week selling GDK scales and AV-21 Power Plants, you can charge what you want I guess.




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caltex2006
Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:33 pm
#25

I am so sick of everyone complaining saying, we should charge 25k for buffs. It's stupid and here's why: If you make your own buffs it will cost you about 3k per set, if you charge 12k, thats 9k profit, for (with havla which will drain about 150 credits from this profit) about 30 seconds of macro running. If you buy your buffs, it will cost about 4k per set, leaving you with 8k profit. Don't you think tripling your investment for a few hours of macro running is a pretty good deal. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH THE PEOPLE YOU BUFF MAKE, WHILE THEY HAVE THE BUFFS. God damn, just take your 300% profit and accept it.



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MagenShae
Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:11 pm
#26






SlowNStoopid wrote:

Oh, and on Tempest, even the current spawn of not-so-fantastic avian meat is going for 150cpu. Premium avian meat goes for anything up to 450cpu. Before the current spawn of Class 4 Liq Petro, auctions for the one good spawn in the history of Tempest started at 50cpu. There was even someone offering 800+OQ Talusian water for 200cpu, which hesaid was what his friends told him to price it at. Anything related to docs will usually be inflated by the same people who complain about the cost of a buff. And sometimes it's caused by docs themselves, the few big-time producers who drive the price up to get what they want and because they can. Keyword: Player-run economy.


And the market price for abuff is still only 10k, plus or minus 2k. So like most docs, "but I don't buff the public anymore". LOL.







Agreed.. i just paid 500 CPU for 10K of the best avian ever on Tarq.. needless to say, those packs I then made, dont sell for cheap.



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