Doctor Archive
Thread: I don t agree with the present role of the doc
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Xman3D
Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:30 am
#1
Well .. i was M doc few month ago, i surrended it to start grinding, so i know the job. I stoped to grind few days ago, and i mreaching to be M doc again and i don t agree with the present role of the doc. let s start with my true story.
I was in coronet, i asked for a teach to a doc who was buffing, he reply to me : "no"
I waited few min, i saw many customers buffed then i asked again for a teach .... no more reply.
I thought that he could not group me because he was not leader .... i tryed to invite and he was not grouped.
I left upsed ... he was probably too busy to make money.
Docs have the ability to heal wound ... but any doc spend his time to that. Only few medic or novice doc spend time to heal wound in medic center ... and they use crap wound med pack A. If u are a doc and if you have good med pack, you have good stim ... and dmg healing is faster than wound healing to xp ( tumbling, pet tricking, warcry .. ). Perhaps the solution is to reduce the time between 2 heal wound or increase the healwound xp.
At the present time it shard or/and slow to find some one to heal your wounds in a big city as coronet and impossible everywhere else.Uhave to be medic to heal your own wound ( it s not good for theplayer interaction )... the doc isnot a healer ... it s only a buffer. I hate this way, and that not reflect the doc tree. Or at least put somewound treatment in medic.
If the doc have to only be a buffer, perhaps the solution is to increase the healing wound rathe of camp ( like 1/10 of the healing wound rathe of a M TKA in meditation for a basic camp, to a 1/2 of the healing wound rathe of a M TKA for a ranger camp
... camps are no more needed to call something from your datapad, it may bea good way to enhence camp.
... camps are no more needed to call something from your datapad, it may bea good way to enhence camp.
PhimaKirsto
Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:58 am
#2
Don't agree on this. Speaking personally, I heal wounds regularly. But, only for selected people. I don't need xp, so there is no benefit in healing wounds for me. I'm not going to heal people I do not know. While I was doing that to gain xp I made a total of 1k. Only 1 person tipped me, most did not even say thank you.
I am not going to spend my time and credits to make medpacks on the slim chance someone may see fit to tip a few creds that won't even cover the cost of what I use, and will whine at me to waste a medpack on their 3 constitution wounds. People have created this situation by taking doctors for granted, so now I'll heal a few friends and people I am grouped with, everyone can die for all I care.
I am not going to spend my time and credits to make medpacks on the slim chance someone may see fit to tip a few creds that won't even cover the cost of what I use, and will whine at me to waste a medpack on their 3 constitution wounds. People have created this situation by taking doctors for granted, so now I'll heal a few friends and people I am grouped with, everyone can die for all I care.
Starphire
Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:11 am
#3
first off you were talking about TEACHING not wound healing? so your kinda confusing in that part.
next.. some docs like to be crafters (they make uber enhance packs and then they sell them) some docs like to make stim crates and make money that way.
Some docs like to go on hunts as a hired doc (or friend, or guild responsability) and they heal/heal/heal/heal all night long, wounds and all.
Other docs just like to sit in coro and buff for hours and make money that way.
It's called a PLAY style. Everyone pics what they like or enjoy and they do it. I happen to be a buff bot. I HATE chasing people around on hunts healing. I hate healing over all. I LOVE buffing. I dont know why but I do love it. I like crafting buffs for me to use, but not to sell.
Doc is just fine the way it is, to each his own. If they wanna improve something they should make medical centers better then a droid, but I personally like my droid just fine. IF they made medical centers better then a droid then these problems would go away because there would always be people in the medical centers.
Gooney
Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:20 am
#4
Ya that drives me nuts too.
"Can you heal my wounds?"
Uh you dont look hurt... then I /diagnose
Health 2
Constitution 6
Strength 4
Action 12
Quickness 2
Stamina 7
I reply, "You call that a wound?!?! And you call yourself a <combat prof>!"
Most just laugh and leave.
Seriously, I only carry wound B packs, thats more than enough for any wound treatment. I won't heal any wounds that arent in the 30's atleast and only then if Health and Action are wounded over 100. Wound healing isn't really worth a Doctors time unless they are feeling friendly. Your right I can only remember a couple times that I received a tip for any cure or wound healing. I get quite a few tips for buffing though....a lot of 2k tips on top of my normal fee which is 8k.
I only buff for cash if Im waiting for a shuttle or if Im running missions and someone catches me at the terminal.
I didnt really catch what you were trying to say in your post other than you thought that wound treatment should be our biggest roll. I dunno, right now a Doc is the best all around healer and buffer in the game. That roll is pretty rock solid.
I dont think the doctors roll in the game is poorly defined or wrong, the majority of my problems with the profession is the social aspect. The fact is that most other professions see a doc simply as a Buff-dispenser. Thats partly our own fault really, on the other hand the high cost of resources is what truly necessitates the buff for cash equation. Add to that the duration of the buff (3hrs) and the doctors buff becomes nearly a commodity whose price becomes dictated by the player economy.
Now you take this economic angle into the whole profession equation and you see very quickly that healing wounds and curing disease is very very unprofitable. Really not worth a doctors time. Plusfactor in that any medic can cure wounds and suddenly wound treatment becomes a less desirable function for a doc.
-Gooney
Xman3D
Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:44 am
#5
the story about the teach is to point that docs is a buffer and no more a helper / healer. A lot of guys doing it for buff ( make cred ) and they don t care of other people. It s no more a support profession play by friendly people ( can u call friendly a guy who kick u without any goal ).
The last support profession is medic (and CM ), so i was speaking about give more wound treatment skill to this profession.
afewitryte
Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:00 am
#6
Combat Medics already have a nice wound treatment system....they can throw area stims and heal everyone.
Master Medics have a nice wound treatment system as well....they just can't buff, rez, or head poison or disease.
You say Docs are not a support system anymore. What a load of crap! We are a support system who is constantly abused by the players we are suppose to support. Getting tells every 2 minutes asking if you are buffing, hey can you come rez me I just died, or any other ridiculous question is not a very fun time, but we endure it. We buff because we love to. We heal people because we love to. We help a lot of people day in and day out.
It sounds like you have had a bad experience with a few doctors, but that doesn't mean we are all like that.
Gooney
Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:17 am
#7
Both Medic and CM have sufficient wound treatment skills for treating wounds.
Buffing is the domain of the Elite Profession Doctor. For that skill you need high wound treatment which is an extension of the wound treatment from medic.
Actually the only true "support medical professions" are medic and combat medic. These both at the master level have more than enough medical skills to meet any challenge.
If ya wanna buff be a Doc.
-Gooney
KahlelVisionary
Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:18 am
#8
have you thought about pvp?
with the current state of affairs, cm is fairly deadly on raids. i've found that being a pvp doc as a support role can be very fun and we definitely have a shortage of good pvp docs.
KahlelVisionary
Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:19 am
#9
and the person who said medic is enough of a support hasn't met a real cm in battle. 
Obata
Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:41 am
#10
Gooney wrote:
Both Medic and CM have sufficient wound treatment skills for treating wounds.
Buffing is the domain of the Elite Profession Doctor. For that skill you need high wound treatment which is an extension of the wound treatment from medic.
Actually the only true "support medical professions" are medic and combat medic. These both at the master level have more than enough medical skills to meet any challenge.
If ya wanna buff be a Doc.
-Gooney
Actually, there is no wound treatment line in medic. Medics get a +5 wound treatment modifier at novice and that's it. The wound treatment modifier is increased in the doctor line only. I do agree however that medics and CMs can handle most wound healing demands without difficulty. That isn't to say that there is anything keeping docs from doing it too (a woundpack E can be quite impressive when used on a patient with totally black bars).
Personaly, I like healing people. It is a matter of play style. There are many ways to play the doctor profession. The right way is whichever is fun for you. I would go nuts if I spent time sitting in Coronet buffing people, but other docs like to do it. I enjoy supporting my guild and other friends as their healer/buffer. It's all about enjoying the game, not meeting someone else's idea of what you should do with your profession.
atimes
Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:47 am
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Just like all non docs are not jerks who constantly abuse doctors.
afewitryte wrote:
Combat Medics already have a nice wound treatment system....they can throw area stims and heal everyone.
Master Medics have a nice wound treatment system as well....they just can't buff, rez, or head poison or disease.
You say Docs are not a support system anymore. What a load of crap! We are a support system who is constantly abused by the players we are suppose to support. Getting tells every 2 minutes asking if you are buffing, hey can you come rez me I just died, or any other ridiculous question is not a very fun time, but we endure it. We buff because we love to. We heal people because we love to. We help a lot of people day in and day out.
It sounds like you have had a bad experience with a few doctors, but that doesn't mean we are all like that.
fuzzmana
Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:31 pm
#12
well, i became a dr so i would gain the ability to Buff myself and my guild mates.....not really so i could heal people's wounds...thats what a medic is for. In real life if you walk into a hospital...sure the brain surgeon could more then likely sow up a slice in your arm...but its probably not gonna happen. your going to get the nurse right out of med school with the shaky hands and the scared look on her face. Not that i Wont heal people's wounds, if im at a star port and have some time to spare, ill pull out my droid and heal wounds if need be. Thats just my look on it though.
Marrow1
Wed Apr 21, 2004 4:38 pm
#13
Wow, someone comes to the doc forum and bashes docs? Do you really thing your going to get support?
The people who are in this forum are not holo grinding docs. They are docs becuase they like being docs. There are so many reasons they like being docs. Here are just a few example for me:
1. My first love of being a doc was crafting believe it or not. I just loved hunting great resouces and trying to make the best produce. Call me an engineering nerd if you will butloved putting together the puzzle.
2. I like the social aspect. Second only to entertainers much of our job is working with the public. For the good or bad it is at least entertaining.
3. I like being a help to my friends and those that soon will become my friend. Wheather it be buffing, healing wounds or damage, what ever the case may be.
4. I liked making cash, by buffing or selling crafted items. It is fun running your own buisness.
5. I like buffing myself. It allows the TKM in me to do TKM things faster.
So many docs run into crappy patients. Can you not expect to have at least a few bad experiences with docs? Are we not the same humans?
Other than entertainers I suspect that you will not find a nicer group of people in a prof. than Docs. It is simply the nature of the prof to help other. We may not want to help everyone and there mother every moment of our play time. No more than you will when you become a doc. So try a little be of understanding before you go bashing.
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