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I see doctors as wound healers primarily, because thats what docs do is heal, and we have 2 lines dedicated to wound healing, that give mods that say "wound" not buffing. Right now though, any novice medic can do just about as well as a doc for these things, so I think a few things need to happen.

Rate the med use of medicine based on a formula. Its silly that a 40/400 stim B is 5 med use, and a 40/400 stim C is 30 med use.

What further compounds how silly this is, is the trival amount of wounds most people incur. This is the main point of the post, so hopefully if nothing else, I get this across well enough. Docs NEED to have big wounds to heal, to have a purpose other than bieng a buffbot.

There are 2 ways to do this. Increase wounds dramatically - I see this as not bieng the ideal way, as it would be threatening to the players and viewed as a nerf and more hassel for them. The other way that I would prefer, would be for wounds to work more like BF. Already secondary wounds are almost like this, but id like to see it taken a step futher, where wounds do not effect you till you accumulate 500 of them in one stat. This would give doctors a purpose again, AND be convienant for the playerbase, instead of some absurd nerf that makes sure you are beaten all to hell every couple hours.

Some of my combatant friends couldnt get what I was talking about here, but I told them simply imagine that when you get a scout blaster, it did enough damage to 1 or 2 shot any creature in the galaxy be it a krayt or a nightsister or a gnort. How good would any elite combat profession be? Answer: It would be pointless, kind of like healing wounds is with a doc right now.

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Mmaxx wrote:

500 wounds in health or action is a solid black bar for me and I'm sure for most. there is a punishment for that... once the buffs run out, one spit from a butterfly incaps you.

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Thats my point, you wont let this happen because of the current system. If it worked like BF and accrued in a seperate pool where it didnt effect you till a certain point, then people wouldnt run into town after every buff session to get 40 wounds healed.

The only significant wounding I see is from disease, and from PvP. Now, given that disease is kind of rareish in PvE, Id think its going to stay that way, increasing disease to increase wounds would just be viewed as a nerf and an annoyance.

Its kind of like why is it that I can make wound meds that heal up to 1000 wounds, when no one ever has over 200 mostly? 200 wounds = novice medic can do that with a good Wound B.

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As for TK meditation dabbling, not going to even comment on that. It would be viewed as a nerf to change it, thus half the playerbase would hate me for suggesting anything about it.

Message Edited by Marzuk147 on 09-29-2004 11:55 AM

"I am not sure from your post that you understand how wounds are capped. Forgive me if I am mistaken."

Yes I know that wounds are capped at the value of your stat. This is just part of the problem with the way stats are currently migrated. However, even if people had large primary and secondary stats (without bieng buffed) they would still come in constantly to have small wounds healed - because having those wounds is too harsh on preformance. Note all the references to have it changed to operate like BF, which is not limited by your stat migration and does not effect preformance until past a certain point.



"With all that being said, I am not sure that I want Doc's to be the only effective wound healer. I think medics can do a find job of healing the wounded/damaged. I see the skill as being low lvl and would rather Doc's focus on higher lvl meds."

I never said that I want docs to be the only effective wound healer, only that I would like docs to be able to do a better job than novice medics, who only spend 15 points, and have no specialization in the area of wound healing, where as doctors have two entire trees devoted to it.

You may see the skill as bieng low level, but truth be told, wound Es which can heal over 1000 wounds with ease, are 90+ med use, how that is low level I wouldnt know. When you say you would rather Docs focus on higher level meds, face it you mean buffing.



Look at it this way, if they removed buffing, what would doctors do, aside from crafting some B level meds mostly? If I want to heal wounds right now I can just use novice medic and plug away with some Wound Bs. What can I say, I guess Im one of few docs that want to actually HEAL PEOPLE, and thats what docs heal are wounds mostly.

If they nerf it such that doc buffs are equal to entertainer buffs, then IMO our resources should be equal to an entertainer - nothing, just an ability that a doctor gets.

Keep in mind that you can buff a FULL group with 1 entertainer buff, in 8 minutes or so, and use no resources doing it. Its so easy that Entertainers are using AFK macros to do it in all of the hotspots.

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Marzuk147 wrote:
Rate the med use of medicine based on a formula. Its silly that a 40/400 stim B is 5 med use, and a 40/400 stim C is 30 med use.

What further compounds how silly this is, is the trivial amount of wounds most people incur. This is the main point of the post, so hopefully if nothing else, I get this across well enough. Docs NEED to have big wounds to heal, to have a purpose other than being a buffbot.

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Rolassk wrote:

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Marzuk147 wrote:
Rate the med use of medicine based on a formula. Its silly that a 40/400 stim B is 5 med use, and a 40/400 stim C is 30 med use.

What further compounds how silly this is, is the trivial amount of wounds most people incur. This is the main point of the post, so hopefully if nothing else, I get this across well enough. Docs NEED to have big wounds to heal, to have a purpose other than being a buffbot.

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Personally, I think a little work needs to be done with the med use on Stimpacks, but all levels should remain entirely usable by a master medic or less (since injury treatment/speed are entirely within the medic profession)

Stim A's are nearly useless and should continue to be MU 0 (anyone)

Stim B's are the norm but I would like to see this bumped up to MU 10 (with no experimentation allowed and always initially assembled at MU10 thus requiring at least Pharmacology I)

Stim C's are only slightly more powerful then B's and should be dropped to MU 21+ initial assembly (requiring an exp point on Med Use to get down to 20 or less to be usable at Pharmacology II)

Stim D's are pretty potent and should come in at MU 41+ initial assembly (like they are now)
Stim E's should become MU 50 and experimentation would have no Med Use line like B's (requiring a Master Medic and up to use)

Wounds
Wound A's should remain MU 5
Wound B's should become MU 31+ initial assembly (this would give a usability for Pharmacology III in my personal revamp, providing an experimentation point was used on Med Use line to get it down to MU 30)
Wound C's should become MU 55 with no Med Use experimentation (thus requiring a Novice Doctor to use)

Wound D's and E's should be removed from the game (perhaps add an Action Wound Set C / Health Wound Set C which would be equal in power to a C pack but require 3x the resources and these Set packs would cure the primary and secondary bars all at once)

I believe that the power of Stim B's and Wound B's along with a Novice Medic MU of 5, are hurting non-Novice Medic/Doctors serviceability in the field. You don't need a Doctor at all to come with you for PvE/PvP (1% decay isn't a big deal, and rarely are you poisoned or diseased so badly that you have to stop and find a doctor to heal you)

Also this is entirely based on current pre-combat revamp stats, who knows what buffed HAM levels will be like in the revamp... If they are nerfed to say 1500-2000 I could really only see use for current Stim A-C's and Wound A-C packs. The others would be too powerful and a waste to use.

Any comments?

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I pretty much agree w/ what Rolassk has to say. That looks like a good plan.

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Catjusha wrote:

Interesting points, but why not make MU requirements dependant on the strength of the heal/woundpack?

Healthpacks could be MU = Healpower / 20 which would equal in low grade 100 hit B stims being able to be used by novice medics

Woundpacks could be MU= Healpower / 10 which would equal in low grade 50 hit B wound heals being able to be used by novice medics

I'm not fixed on the numbers here, it's just an idea.

Cat

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Once you get a cert you should be able to use the best there is of that cert IMO.

Message Edited by Rolassk on 09-29-2004 06:54 PM