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Thread: Good tool/station = lousy experimentation?

mosheg
Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:08 am
#1

i've recently placed a house and put afood crafting station in it . this station has 37 or so efectivness. and i'm using food/chemical crafting tool with 12.9 efectivness.


what i found was that i was getting much worse success rate which include failiures and moderate success. I was crafting action D using: a gem for inorganic 908 dr 552 ma 922 oq 937 ut and some fruit 890+ oq/dr/pe . what i found is that i was getting very lousy sucess rate . i could get better successs with my droid crafting station. is it that the station doesn't work could it be that 552 ma?


anyone have an idea? should i just become homeless and use my droid?




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Bowoci
Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:45 am
#2

The "Critical Failures" while crafting meds in this game are ridiculous. I've got 90 med experimentation and still get 2 and sometimes 3 critical failures in a row... and I put in 2 points at a time so no risk is shown. I know this is on the Doc Issues list... but it still just drives me nuts to toss expensive resources down the drain when there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the occurence of critical failures!



Bowoci


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AsanoChow
Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:50 am
#3

Yo! Bowoci, keep grinding Doc!



Back on track here, I've come to three conclusions.



1. The numbers mean nothing, because they are just useless numbers



2. You guys are just really unlucky



3. Good tools/stations = lousy experimentation




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TenshiHanaKinu
Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:56 am
#4

Enhancement D kits are just very difficult to make, I guess.... It's why I hate crafting them. I can never fully craft an "awesome" Enhance D because the experiment rates are never truly all that good. My tools & station are approximately the same as yours.



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Zarlor
Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:16 am
#5

This is definitely an issue for us and pretty high on the list too.


But to help out, I have found that having a High Rated Crafting Station helps to reduce critical failure occurences. I have also found that Droid Crafting Stations seem to work better than the Personal Crafting Stations.


Finally get a BAD (like negative numbers) crafting TOOL. (That's Tool, not station.) Several Artisans (and my own informal work) did some testing that has suggested that for some reason there is a bug inteh crafting sytem would would indicate that the -rated tools are actually acting like a +rated tool, and vice-versa. Don't throw out the good +rated tool you have, they're sure to fix this bug eventually, but for now you might be abel to decrease your Crit Fails some by using a -rated tool.




Zarlor - Mesric City, Dantooine - Eclipse
Arissi Plains, Dantooine - Test Center
mosheg
Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:49 am
#6

ok time to get some low conductivity metal and use novice artisan to craft a tool.


this is trully rediculous . right now if i get a decent pack i make a schematic and stick it in the factory. i found that my good avian meat is going to waste because of all those fails. now i'm loweringlimit on the "keep" packs to 700+ powerfrom750+. i've got some +56 wound /injury treatment cloth and now all i need is a 710 pack and i can enhance for 1000-3000. i


i have 900+ all stat avian and 800+ all stat avian. 970 oq gas . i can get 10 experimentation slots on efectiveness with the 900 avian and 9 with the 800 avian. it seems that i never manage to fill the more than 8 or 9 anyways.


I guess i'll use the 800 avian or even go lowerand save the 900 for later. it does seem that schematic backstabs us since enhance substats are a little harder to make.





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Dunwich_Horror
Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:53 am
#7

There is a known bug out there right now as listed above; the better the station rating the more chance for failure. My guild informed me of this last night after I just about threw my PC out a window on multiple failings on making Enhance D packs the night before. My 6 tools are rated +16 and my crafting station is +35.38 and I'd fail in experimentation about every 3rd or 4th try.


My guild says they have switched to using 'crapting stations' i.e. really shoddy quality ratings until this passes. It seemed to help, but it doesn't lessen the sting of my losing excellent quality resources and advanced components before finding this out.



Cheers!




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Master Doctor - Surveyor & Merchant

Dunwich Horror
Master Bio-Engineer - Wayfarer & Hunt Master

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Zarlor
Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:06 am
#8

Wait, you're haveing a problem with Good stations, where Bad stations work better?


I've only seen that tools seem to work in that manner, not stations. Stations seem to be working properly for me (although the droid crafters do seem to work better, for some reason.)




Zarlor - Mesric City, Dantooine - Eclipse
Arissi Plains, Dantooine - Test Center
DarkWraith65
Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:47 pm
#9

for me I came to same conclusion as Zalor....A good personal crafting station and low rated crfting tool is the way to go. I have a 43 personal crafting station and -13 tools and only get failures on highly complex items and even rarely then if I spend my point one at a time.



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Bowoci
Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:27 pm
#10

Uh... guys... I'm on the verge of throwing my PC out the window and leaving this game forever. I took Zarlor's suggestion from above and checked my 2 crafting tools... one was positive and one was negative, I use my surgical droid w/ crafting station. I made another crafting tool myself which came out w/ a negative rating, replaced the positive one I had. So earlier tonite I started grinding out Advanced BEC's trying to get those 28000 crafting points I needed and got it down to 22,000 so far. I stopped to make a friend some wound packs and stim packs... got the 6 wound packs made w/ little problem... started to make LS to make the stims and the fun began... SEVEN critical failures in a row... either on the assembly or in experimentation leaving only 2 at about half the power they could be... the rest were useless. So, I tried to assemble a Stim D using the 35 power LS and the rest very good components and guess what? Critical Failure # EIGHT on assembly!!!


Have you got another reasonable explanation for this?? Anybody?? I was on Dantooine at the time, at the mining outpost in the tavern... the moon was full... the month starts w/ an O... it's a Tuesday... Oh... that's why:X Sorry... I am sooooo aggravated right now... I can't see straight


Bowoci


Moenia/Naboo/Flurry


Novice Doctor 4/4/4/3 - may never see 4 if I can't craft a LS that's not garbage!




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Peele Notoo ~ Medic ~
Ymina ~ Master Shipwright - +2 Engine/Chassis/Weapon Exp ~
Notoo Shipyards - New Justice, Lok - West of the Shuttle
-I support crafting in SWG!

Orions-
Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:02 am
#11

Funny i was in the same place as you a couple months ago.


I got rid of the house and kept the droid I keep my food factory with me and just plant it on the planet i'm working at the time for a couple hours while i make what i need.




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Zarlor
Wed Oct 29, 2003 7:49 am
#12

Bowoci: Did you get a good crafting station in the droid? It's possible that the DE you got it from used some poor resources and maybe didn't get a very good experimentation on it. Another possibility is were you standing with yor droid next to the crafting station at the outpost? Those stations are no publci stations, but personal ones so you would still see everything in your tool, but you could be using the relatively poor ratings of that station instead of your droids.


The quality of your resources is also supposed to have an affect of experimentation and/or success levels as well, from recent rumor I have picked up.




Zarlor - Mesric City, Dantooine - Eclipse
Arissi Plains, Dantooine - Test Center
Bowoci
Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:50 am
#13

Z,


Not sure of the crafting station rating... since that stat isn't available... and my Droid Engineer quit the game I believe... haven't seen him around in at least a month... so can't even ask him. I could have been to close to the private crafter... it's on the outside wall of the tavern at the Mining Outpost... but I was on the other end of the building... still too close? My resources are all very good... used the same stacks before last night and never had a problem like this.


I was so aggravated after my experience that I signed off for an hour and then signed back on... went into a back room in the tavern... (closer to the private crafter outside... unknowingly) and got 2 more critical failures... so I think it may be that I was too close to that other crafting machine. Will try from another location tonite and hope that's it... Thanks Z


Bowoci


Moenia/Naboo/Flurry


Novice Doctor 4/4/4/3 - maybe Master Doc by tomorrow nite if I stay away from crappy crafting machines




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Peele Notoo ~ Medic ~
Ymina ~ Master Shipwright - +2 Engine/Chassis/Weapon Exp ~
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