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How you decide to make the quest for FSCS is going to be difficult at best, good luck with that. So let me address the points I do have opinions on.

The developers are interested in hearing what you would like to see for:

Whole Quest ideas
I am going to assume we are working with in the boundaries of the current quest system and terminals so that's how I will address my ideas.

There should be many quests along the path to mastery, as a light Jedi every time you take an NPC quest to help someone (Be that recovering someone or delivery missions or saving someone) these type missions would be the kind of things a Light Jedi is obligated to do by his very training.

Things associated with vengeful death, greed, self improvement of wealth or power even things that would defy the empire are the things associated with the dark side. While dark side are associated with Vader its only because the alternative is being hunted by Vader not loyalty to him.

There should be assigned points for quests light and dark points that only a Jedi can see when they accept quests and listed on the quest description. A Jedi must meet a certain number of light or dark points in order to make the choice of light or dark. Dark being much sooner then light.

NPC’s players might interact with throughout the quest
Some NPC's should recognize a force user but not all, they should also be able to tell if that persons leaning towards light or dark side and depending on the type of NPC react accordingly.

Progression quests and trial ideas
Light Jedi would not have trials during this time frame as the trainers are rare and difficult to find you could actually make the quest just to find one. Most light Jedi will not have masters but would seek out training from people more advanced then them selves and not necessarily a master. That trainer could send them on a quest however to save a village or any number of things.

Dark Jedi would have a master and they never really did trials however the master could send them on a mission that would further the masters causes.

What skills a Jedi might use on these quests
Light Jedi could be attempting to dissolve situations by making the right choices and attempting to defuse situations with out violence. It may not always work and fighting is sometimes necessary however. This is the way of the Jedi.

There could be quests where healing someone to save their lives or deflecting blaster attacks to defend the innocent while they run away. There could be dungeons where force push or throw may be needed to gain entrance.

Dark Jedi use the destructive forces to dominate a situation, To insure things are done using bruit force and fear using these powers not just to kill since that may not serve their needs, but to control.

Quests for different profession types, for instance, social quests, explorer quests, combat quests, etc.
All quests should have hidden light and dark side points associated with them. Even players, Only the Jedi should be able to see these points in their chars and in others Jedi or non Jedi, this will allow them to see if someone is evil or good and also help identify if another Jedi is dark or light.

Player interdependencies and cooperation’s
I don't think Jedi should be dependent on any other players,

Both light and dark should be self sufficient. light Jedi have no driving need desires for wealth or goods.

Dark Jedi simply take what the want.

Jedi Titles earned through the quests from Force Sensitivity to Jedi master
Unless you can make Jedi Titles only viewable by other Jedi, it really is the least of the concerns. What you could do to help Jedi is by transferring all masteries from the primary to the Jedi to help hide the fact they are Jedi, this would be a much more welcome thing to work on.

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Razorlord wrote:

You should make quest only certain master profesions can do. That way you will still have to master professions.

Here is a quest for you.

Make a full set of RIS armor.

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Certainly a decent idea for a crafting quest, but I don't really see how crafting quests (apart from crafting Force-specific items) relate to becoming a Force user...

I don't mean to appear limited in my outlook, but I would prefer to see some Force relevance in the eventualy quests needed for becoming a Forcey

Regardless of how these new quests proceed some basic aspects must be maintained.

A Sense of Progress. Even if the quest(s) are long and hard, some idea of where you stand is important to overall satisfaction and inspiration.

A mix of dynamic and static information/quest sources. Having played an MBH I can see where dynamic spawns are the weakest link in the chain but the power of SWG over "Camp it to death" Everquest is the dynamic system. Static leading to dynamic quests already are legion in this game, don't surrender this wonderful concept.

Full, Complete, Unmistakable Warning if you are falling off the "Path". It is clear that the devs require a new Jedi organic control system and it willbe preclusion. Do not leave a player in the dark when he is failing to get to FS status.

Hello ThunderHeart,

I'm not about to read through 6 pages of posts to check if this idea has been offered already. Unfortunately your eye's must be strained as they are already, doing your forum rounds. (i hope your insured for eye-care at SOE) lol

Perhaps in the light side final quest before becoming a layman jedi, a player can travel to Dathomir to enter one of those caves, and reenact episode 4's scene when Luke enters that swamp cave on Daogoba. Where he fights a darth vader look-alike, and when he defeats him the face mask pops off showing his face.

Or have the player that would-be Jedi on the light or dark sideswhen dueling in that swamp like cave. If he's the light side , he duels his dark alter ego to the death, if he's going for the dark side, let him duel to the death his light side double.

It'll be a true equal nemesis in avatar professions and strength, and having symbolic significance.

How does that sound?

Ideas for possible quests:

1. Random Spawn

So which quests do you want to go over, FSCS Unlock or Jedi chatacer progression? I'll expand later when I have more time and more fo a clue for what you're actually askingbut for now...

FSCS Unlock
These quests should NOT require the character to behave like a Jedi or adhere to any of their principles. This character is not and never will be a Jedi. What might be interesting for the "unlock"questing is for the character to chase down lore or informationthemedquests, lots of background information on Jedi principles,Sith enigmas,nature of the Force, notable figures in Jedi & Sith history, and some general Star Wars background. If you want to branch off your previous character creation seeding module, you might set it to a particular themepark or other static quest (preferably something applicable to the starting profession) and have the completion of that quest introduce the opening stage of the FSCS quest. Obviously, the themeparks/static questswill have to be made more friendly to a wider variety of classes so that going the combat route isn't required 100% of the time.

From the appearance of the prior FCSC unlocking model, it looked as if the intent were to get the player to try various professions in the game. Variety in the FSCS unlocking quest chain can still reflect this. It will be more directed and story driven but it doesn't have to be any easier of less tedious if you want to count that in the organic attrition rate.

A nice unlock message might be something along the lines of...

Obi-wan Kenobi - "That boy is our last hope." biwan:

Yoda - "No, there is another." (the newly unlocked FSCS character)

Jedi Quests
All Jedi quests should involve some type of philosophy. Lower level quests should be easier, of course. Just learning the nature of the Force, without all the good vs. evil dogma, should be the central philosophy. Higher level quests, somewhere near or just prior to the character being able to choose a route, should focus on the dark vs. light side of the Force. The paths toward light or darkness should be based on the character's efforts at this level of questing. Yes, that would require these quests to be able to branch in two different "successful" completions as well as all out failure. Master level quests should be heavy enough on philosphy (good vs. evil and it's repercussions on the world, even evil has a philosophy aganist the weakness/totalitarian/disguised-self-serving strictures of "good") to justify going to combat over as it will more than likely be required for difficulty sake. To help with the organic system, some high level quests should involve hunting otherplayerJedi of the opposing faction much like bounty hunters do.

AS long as they are not broken they will be fine...that said

The most fun quest I have done involve Unique NPC's and what they say - You know when you blast someone and they talk "smack"

The other part is please dont make them camped - As a BH and ex-hologrinder - I want a path that all can do not just the power gamer.

Also make the path not have one set course - And make it non-combat

My idea would be as follows:

After you do the starter quest from a static NPC - a timer starts

When the timer goes off you get a random spawn - like slave girl.

If you save here your get a waypoint to your next quest.

If you fail..you get a different random spawn...lets say the Thugs and the Nomads.

This keeps up till you pass or get 3 trys

If you dont get it - you get a new first quest to repeat.

This way you wont fail but it will take you longer.