Development Cycle Archive
Thread: AT-ST changes on Test Center
ok devs BAD move unless your going to add a AT-AT to the game then then get rid of the flame DOT
but my main problem is how your making CH the most powerful prof. no one is going to want to do anything but be ch now ch get mounts ch get pets ch get more npc's what the heck they get every thing
and it is NOT star warsy to have only one trooper out do youdevs even play the gave for fun dotn you know howstarwarsy to see 10 troupers in a group of maybe 20 it looks like star wars
but oneperperson that stinks
oh but wait CH of cours the favorit chiled of the devs gets to have all its pers out
its a shamei ran in to a overt ch who didnt touch me he send about8 pets after me and i died instantly and im a
dang masterexpert bounty hunter
talk about balance
balance the CHinstead of giveing themall the glory in the game i even bet you have to be a ch to become a jedi even lol
oh and another thing im sticking around for the space pack but if you guys start doing garbage like
ONLY ch can have a TIE fighter or X-wing then i quit because thats what your doing now i bet if there are still people playing the game in six montsh it will be made up of CH and Commando Rebels
AND ANOTHER THING I HATE THE FACT THAT YOU DEVS SET IT UP SO MORE PEOPLE WOULD JOIN THE REBELS BY SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE REBEL TO BE A JEDI WHEN THAT IS NOT TRUE
AND BEING A JEDI IS THE MAIN REASON PEOPLE ARE JOINING THE REBELS
Hydroxide wrote:
For those of you saying AT-St's are worthless and will become worse:
Are you really saying that solo'ing a Krayt with just 3 pets is worthless?
Gee, fire hurting a mechanical object.. you ever seen a RL tank burn? it's not pretty.
basically you are complaining about not being able to control three level 75 pets not to mention if there is a MCH IMP with 3. (two of my friends) Don't get me wrong.. it's a beautiful sight.
I can see limiting FP's to 1 out. I disagree with it but sure for at-st's but not for the piece of crap npc's
- I can agree with you on this one
Being a Reb I think the imps SHOULD be able to have some serious firepower to kick our superior numbers butts with.
- OR a reason to use the fire power already at our disposal. Right now the reasons NOT to use it against rebel PC's outwiegh the reasons for it.
Why nerf theAT-ST itself? That thing should not be unbeatable but it should be able to wholesale slaughter the average rebel or 5. Leave it tough to hit.. Crap, it SHOULD be tough to inflict dammage to all but the UBER l33t professions you talk about investing SP's and time...
- and thats what you would have IF they weren't made of paper. Now there are enough players who have mastered combat professions and have sufficent abilities that a good group could co-ordinate an effective attack against one.
I actually agree (write this day down in your calandar)with the whole not to be used for PVE. These are for wars not for hunting trips or profit.
- Scroll back and read my previous post regarding our status as affiliates of our factions and not actually being "regular army". Therefore we are granted free use of rescources at our disposal.
I think a simple not for PVE would have been appropriate. Maybe with the only one AT-ST out at a time but to drop it's armor?? that's plain stupid. The no poison or disease was a no brainer. I've never seen a machine get sick.
Yes, I think the AT-St nerf fest sucks. I hope you guys get stronger AT-AT's soon.To say that they were already worthless?? Cry me a river!
- The reason I got mine was for PVP. I personally planned on spending the majority of my time in PVP. After finding out first-hand just how easily a single commando can toast an AT-ST, I was left with the only option PVE be it faction missions or otherwise. So for me and many others who planned on extensive PVP action they are in fact "already worthless". They are more of a liability in PVP than they are help.
- second point - For some time after commandos became useful AT-STs could not "swim" hence they could not get wet. which meant certain death. And that river you refered to would not help the AT.
- Third point - I would be tickled to death if they would allow this high-tech world a few FIRE EXTINGUISHERS. or have the proper materials not yet spawned? Or how about rain? fires are not affected by water falling from the sky either. If rain would put out a fire on an AT-ST I would be happy to wait till the conditions were right (raining) and then comence my attack but we all know were tactics rate on SOE list of important things.
-H
Ok no more krayt or holo farming with the at-st ok thats fine just have to master ch which is easy and go up commando to get flamethrower and krayts will be easy enough so farming still exists.the only thing that changes is for people who have earned faction points to buy themselves at-st now have a huge piece of in there data pad that IS WITHOUT A DOUBT GONNA GET SO OWNED IN A PVP BATTLE..so in fact u did not stop farming of anything u wasted peoples time that they spent to get these things .
And you could care less about the GCW because its a joke one KD away from death at all times i have 3 at-st i farm with them take them out of the game if u want but make us all have 7-8k hams so we can actually have decent battles and fight npc that with are now low hams can get a few shot killed by .make it more about the player and less about pets if thats what u want but give us some ham at least ..now ch is gonna so be relied on to do anything....
And off the subject a bit i read ch post about how there tired of dabblers pleas shut up are put the flamethrower away cause your class requires you to dable to have a weopon..as some other people have to dabble to have a tank this ties in with my make us have a larger ham statement then we could tank for ourselves
Farming will still be here and should be .the animals are put here to be killed right?
AT-ST are gonna be a huge time sink if people still use them ..use one it gets killed faction to get another use it and it gets killed and so on
Djferio wrote:
Halaka wrote:
I'm an imperial who has AT-STs and uses them in PvE and I agree with the change in principle, but I wonder if you DEVs realise just how truely useless AT-STs are in PVP... the flame DoT on them is the main reason they are so useless and even with the new hit point increases it won't really make a difference. An AT-ST might survive an encounter with a commando now but it will be so badly wounded that it won't survive a 2nd encounter becaue there is no way to repair it.
There are too many Rebels in this game for the AT-ST to ever be what it once was, and perhaps it should never have existed despite the story line and the actual power of them in the movies but the fact is alot of players spent a considerable amount of time getting the faction points necessairy to get one (especially non-humans...) and these changes are so drastic I think its only fair they there should be a trade in scheme for them just like in real life how the government buys back firearms it decides are now illegal.
What about our rebel Faction pets? They are even more worthless then an At-st?
Come on, You still have a medium armor pet we have to to use No armor or light ones with very low resists.
Be happy with the at-st, it could have been much worse.
YOU ARE A DORK THE IMPERIALS ARE MEANT TO HAVE AN ARMY WITH FULL BENEFITS YOU REBLE SCUM ARE SUPPOSED TO USE GERRILLA WARFARE AND TACTICS IN WHICH THE CHANCES OF WINING ARE 1-100 BUT THAT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION BECAUSE OH I FORGOT IMPS ARE OUTNUMBERED BY YOU SCUM 20-1 SO THERE STOP YOUR WINING AND EVERQUEST 2 HERE I COME.
BY THE WAY DEVS I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO GET THE STARWARS FELLING IN THIS GAME YOU ARE RUINING IT BY LISTENING TO ALL THE WINERS, IT WAS A PERFECTLY GOOD GAME SYSTEM WITH BUGS ASIDE WHEN IT CAME OUT. OH WAIT I FORGOT ALL YOU DORKS PLAY REBELS. GUESS WHAT ALL EXPERIENCE MORPG PLAYERS ARE IMPS BECAUSE WE LIKE CHALLENGES AND KNOW HOW TO THINK. AT LEAST WITH DAoC YOU KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO GET SCREWED SOONER OR LATER BUT I REALLY DID EXPECT MORE FROM A COMPANY ASSOSIATED WITH EVERQUEST.
KEEP LISTENING TO THE WINNERS WHO ALREADY TAKE DOWN AT-ST'S IN 2 HITS. SOON ENOUGH THERE WON'T BE A CIVIL WAR BECAUSE MM...... WE WOULD ALL BE REBLES.
OH YEAH AND YOU DEVS STINK
FOR ONE YOU SAID IT YOUR SELF THAT SOME WILL LOVE THE CHANGE AND SOME WILL HATE
DUH!!!!!!!!!!! THE REBELS WILL LOVE IT ANDIMPERIALS WILL HATE IT I AGREE THAT THE GAME WAS FINE UNTILL YOU CHANGED EVERYTING
AND REBELS SHUT UP!!!!! YOU CANT HAVE A TST THATS WHY YOU LOVE IT IS NOT THAT STRONG
ANDYOU WOULD BE MAD TO IF YOU HAT TO PAY 10K AND UP FOR ITTO DIE ONE GUYSAID ALL FP TROOPS DIE EVEN REBEL ONES BUT HELLO!!!!!FOOLS NONE OF THEM COST AS MUCH YOU CAN REPLACE THEM EASY
SO DEVS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE SPACE PACK MAKE TIE FIGHTER GARBAGE BECAUSE THE REBELS ARE DIEING IM SICK OF PAYING SO MUCH FOR THE GAME AND THE IMPERIALS DONT GET LISTEN TO YOU GAVE THE REBLES A CLEAR ADVANTAGE OVER US AND NOT JUST THAT BACK TO THE JEDI THING YOU MADE IT SO REBELS OF COURSE WOULD WANT TO BE A REBEL IF YOU KILL A DARK TROOPER YOU GET A HALOCRON WHATS UP WITH THAT GIVE THE REBLS SOMETHING COOL TO PLAY WITH AND LEAV US IMPERIALS ALONE GOOD BYE
AND ALSO EVER QUEST HERE I COME ..........
A suggestion...
1) AT-STs unrepairable? How about letting Droid Engineers repair them using resources and spare parts, will take ALOT of resources
2) AT-STs unbuildable? How about when an Imperial "buys" the AT-ST, he's actually "ordering" an AT-ST to be constructed, and then an ImperialMaster Droid Engineer takes the mission to build the AT-ST deed, gets the schematic from the recruiter, and get paid by the recruiter upon completion. Maybe a "timed" mission and only has 24 hours to build it otherwise a bounty gets placed and he loses the mission and becomes BH bait.
3) Parts would have to be used from multiple crafting professions (armor = armorsmith, weapons = weaponsmith, interior = tailor...see where I'm going with this?). Where is the crafting interdepency? Why can Droid Engineers build armor modules? Why do probots come with weapons built in? We are not armorsmiths or weapon engineers!
Im mad as hell !
OK NOW I SEE THAT MOST PLAYERS LIKE NERF SOME DONT........
WHAT EVER
FXCK IT ALL THE RULES HERE SUCK I HAVE OVER 30K IN ATST BECOUSE OF WHAT THAY DO.
NOW YOU GO AND SAY WELL WE LIKE THEM LIKE THIS NOW DO I GET MY FP BACK THEN I GOT SOME THING THAT I LIKE AND NOW YOUR GOING TO NERF IT SO I CAN USES IT THE WAY IT HAS BEEN ALL ALONG ?
I SAY NERF ONLY THE NEW ONE THAT PLAYERS GET AFTER THE UPDATE NOT THE ONE WE HAVE NOW THATS BULL SHXT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I HAVE BEEN A GOOD BOY I PAY FOR THIS GAME BUGS AND ALL. NOW YOU SAY FXCK IT WE LIKE IT LIKE THIS NOW..................
THIS IS SO GXY AND FXCKED UP YOU GUYS NEED TO DO THINGS IN A WAY THAT WILL WORK FOR ALL......... I WOULD NEVER BUT A PROBOT NOW WHY IN GODS NAME WOULD I GET A SUPER PROBOT FOR 10K FP ?
NO ONE WOULD SO I SAY KEEP WHAT IS THE SAME AND MAKE THE NEW ONES DIFF OH YA 1 MORE THING IF THIS IS PLAYED OUT ILL BET 30% OF ALL IMPS LEAVE THIS GAME !!!!
FXCK IT IT ANT NOTHING.....
What I think a lot of rebels don't appreciate is a sizable chunk of Imperial-aligned players, do it for the PvE abilities of the AT-ST. The fact they open themselves up to PvP combat while doing so is a risk they take out of necessity, rather than choice. In fact, the only reason the empire hasn't completely folded as a faction is the fact the majority of PvE players choose it over the rebellion.
Since the AT-ST is now going to be of extremely limited PvE use, these players will remain covert or go neutral. Which means even fewer imperial overts to fight. Which is going to make finding targets a heck of a lot harder for any rebels.
This isn't saying it's appropriate for the AT-ST to be used for Krayt dragon massacres, but it is saying the empire is going to need some serious otherperks if PvP isn't gonnaslowly diewhen this change goes through.
Please consider the faction troopers as a rank thing, and don't think initial ideas are so bad, that they must be removed entirely.
The CH get ADDITIONAL pets, as it is. So we know the reasoning behind this move, hardly makes sense.. Cutting down the action by removing strategic layers, is not the way to go.
One pet is not providing a lot of choices, and it certainly do not compute in relation to the commander role.
The CH is not the core of SWG, and never ever should be. When you join a faction you MUST have INTERESTING choices, and REWARDS associated with it. Rank should matter, and soldiers it what we associate with Star WARS. Not PET WARS. This is a game about GALACTIC WAR with TROOPS and WAR MACHINES. See?
You, the developers are drifting away from the central themes, by accident or diversion, forgetting about what makes the name of this game, in an effort to please a certain part of the player population. Everything will be aligned, just stick to the primary themes, and all will be ok... Don't let this slip away before it's even getting started for real.
As for the AT-ST, it's great that it's not used for camping uber loot. I can agree with that. But don't destroy the whole thing in the process. When you remove the chimney, do you have to demolish the house in the process? Have you considered to take measures to avoid camping, for example? You don't have to remove PLAYER OPTIONS, in order to remedy loot availability issues. You need to go into the availability schemes, and avoid CAMPING. Camping is the most ugly part of any MMORPG, you the developers CAN avoid this, by assuring that highly demanded loot, is gained in different ways. One idea is to let players have it, by performing personal missions.
As an Overt Imperial, I am in grave danger all the time, this is WRONG. We need more SECURITY, more TROOPS, and more OPTIONS. Weaker pets, nerfed pets, fewer pets looks to be the answer... Thanks for nothing. :-)
What we truly don't need: Ultra costly equipment nobody uses, bad armor nobody uses, and developers afraid to stick to the themes, because they can't see the big picture. I agree the AT-ST should cost blood, it's standard approach, and logical. Cost in itself is a nerf, though. How many layers do you need in the end?
Cheers.
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Just rename this game Creature Handler Galaxies because everyone will be one except me I will be GONE.
Namrac