Development Cycle Archive

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Thunderheart wrote:

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PunkRod wrote:

I'm afraid my answer will be lost in the thread, but as a weaponsmith, I think I have much more experimentation failures at master.

the experimentation critical failures are fine to me...

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Nope. Not lost. We are looking into this isse aas part of this process...

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When I was a master weaponsmith, critical failure during combines was fine, although the complexity seemed to work in reverse. I got 47 critical failures in a ROW on a complexity 7 item...but the critical failures wasn't in combine, it was in experimentation. This is where I was very upset. If the item doesn't combine with 'great success' or higher, the item is essentially junk imo...yes, I'm a perfectionist but I also believe anything with my name attached to it that I crafted and is sold/given away, should be the very best I can make. Otherwise that's some bad press on my part and a large number of 'junk items' I sell/give away would eventually give me a bad name and since I was master artisan/weaponsmith I had just enough points to do some basics in an elite combat class but not enough to net me solo missions to make much money (2-3k per) and all those harvesters, the house and the factories really eats your budget fast. That being said, I couldn't afford to allow my name to be tarnished because making an item 'perfect' during experimentation was so difficult that unless I wanted to spend 1 hour or more per component (with 2-3 or more components to make one weapon) not too mention an easy 100k in the cost of the wasted resources, at least one item and most likely half of them would be 'moderate success' or just simply 'success'.

Anyway, I think the biggest complaint most have isn't the critical failures (except architecture where it takes TONS of resources to make one item...let's be realistic here though, how often in todays world does a 'house' fall apart because the architect got a 'critical failure'. Somehow I doubt it'd be anywhere near 4-5% of them given the experience of our 'masters' and all the past knowledge), it's really in the experimentation failure rates. I beg you to do this same test on experimentation with NO modifiers on the character and NOT in a research city, make it a real world, plain master class. For what it's worth, based on what I said earlier, architects should have a lower failure in combine than we do. Loss of one elite level building (TH or PA or something) is an easy weeks worth of farming...that's just one item, they do deserve a bigger break than the rest of the classes since they have a LOT more to lose in one shot. Me failing on a stock 47 times was negligable except for frustration, but at least it was only a loss of some 300-400 units of rare wood vs 1000's.

What effect do + [Crafting Type] Experimentation/Assembly/Complexity tapes have on critical failure rates?

Padre

I'm sorry to post a second one but I forgot something that has bugged me more than anything. Maybe it's just me but I noticed something in medic crafting, artisan crafting and weaponsmithing that drove me nuts. Maybe it's just bad luck, but I tended to get 2 failures in a row. If I got a critical faiure while combining an item, the second time I'd combine it I'd pretty much be assured it would critical failure the second consecutive try too. Also, if I got one amazing success when experimenting, I'd also pretty much garauntee getting one critical failure in the same experiment on another aspect of the item. This was so hardset that I was able to call it at least half the time and it made me cringe when making something with extremely rare items like powerups (krayt tissue and the lesser 'subcomponent specific' powerups that seem to be dropping fairly often off of BH marks).

GrafvonSoden wrote:

Maybe if experimentation and materials meant something to the final product of Droids or components,crits might concern us DEs. /sigh

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The same for us Tailors. Our experimentation ability was removed awhile back, even though it never did anything.
I don't think I've been having an abnormal amount of crits, but my concern is repairing ,which I consider to fall under Crafting I've only tried repairing a handful of items using a 90 some-odd% tool and had too many failures. Now I'm afraid to try fixing people's enhanced items.

Shouldn't a Master (with no Eng skills) be able to make a decent repair tool? I mean, I made the item. Why can't I fix it?

Is there a big % diff if you're a Master or Novice using the tool?

Master doctor, 14.43 tool, 43.32 station (and/or droid).

If it was 4% of the total items I made being arsed up then that might not be too bad, but the 4% failure rate on experimentation (every single time with a 0% chance of failure i might add, according to the risk meter), means that I generally have about a 50/50% chance of something failing either during experimentation OR during assembly - given that we tend to run multiple experiments on an object (to try to minimise the risk, hah!) the chances of one of them going wrong and rendering the item worthless is basically far FAR too high.

Because we get more experimentation points as we progress we actually stand MORE of a chance of getting a crit fail than someone with fewer, this doesn't work for me.

Disclaimer: I havent read all the 10 pages about this topic so Im sorry if Im repeating something.

The statistics provided by the devs are both interesting and useless. A lot of problems could be going on within those statistics. For example:

Statistics doesnt say wether only a few pepole had all the criticals.
Statistics doesnt say wether all critical failures appeard close to each other in time, or not.
etc. etc.

The statistics only show that failure rates look right across the board. I would like to see more detailed statistics.

Also, people tend to remember criticals better than amazing successes. Especially if they hurt a lot. Its just a psychological thing.

I dont have a problem with the current critical fail rates what is an issue for me is the why

I want to see Masters crit less, I want a better tool to effect crit rates, I want a better crafting station to effect crit rates and I want droid embedded station to be the same as artisan created ones from an assembly/comparison.

Then perhaps included some input stats such as OQ and Mal. for impact to 1st stage crit and 2nd stage crit.

I also (and im a master arch) thing crit failures on 1st build should hamper experimentation and not have 0 imapct to an architect.

Be Well, Bob'the Builder

Can I also support the fact that (as an architect anyway) any moderates are as bad a s a crit. If I cant hit BER 13 or 10 then its low qual product and is sold at near cost.

I think a Master should be able to make 100% with points to spare !! Thus a master can survive a medium with a good follow up experiment. Well if they are using good equipment anyway....

Bob'the Builder

I think i may see "Amazing Success" once in over an hour of crafting on Lok and ALWAYS after a crit fail in experimentation. That is the only place as a Master Bio-Enginee i have seen Amazing Success !

I almost always get at least one crit fail on experimenting on pet stats for every template i make. I really can not recall not getting at least one each time since I have become "Master" sorry but that is not up to my expectations as a Master anything....

I don't remember the last time i seen amazing success when making tissues.

Befor server went down tonight I had 3 crit fails on final for templates out of making 6 compleated ones, my math says that is 1/3 failure rate and the lag was not bad on Naboo at the time. This is totaly unacceptable for Master Statis, it looks like a novice doing it to me.

Eili

So tired of SWG stealing my hard earned items and credits while taking my RL cash. Every dev needs to play SWG without support for 4 hours every day befor they start programing more bugs.