Dancer Archive
Thread: afk dancers
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Chessack
Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:05 am
#1
I am with you about dancing being about more than just keypresses.
Most nights on the Naritus server, Moenia cantina has a decent crowd and a smallish (8 or so) but lively troupe of musicians/dancers. Last night for some reason, there was 1 AFK macroing dancer and 2 AFK Macroing musicians, and nobody else to perform. They weren't all labelled "AFK" so it took me a few minutes to realize they weren't going to respond. There were a few patrons but they were equally unresponsive.
I /listened to one of the musicians to get a beat to dance to, and started "button pressing." I tried roleplaying with the patrons who came in but most of them were utterly unresponsive. The performers were all AFK so there was nobody to RP with in that regard. Now, my PC was certainly getting experience for flourishes, and I am supposed to be trying to 'grind' her to Dance IV on the entertainer tree I suppose (she was at about 25K out of 45K needed), and I could've done that for a long time, but you know what?
I was bored. Bored because there was no roleplay going on. No interaction, no emoting, no talking. My attempts at it were ignored.
So, I quit dancing, donned my outdoor gear, and went out surveying. I checked in at the cantina every once in a while until there was a group of people there to actually RP with, and THEN I stayed and danced.
So you are right... entertainment is not about button pressing. It's first and foremost about rolelaying. But this is, after all, a roleplaying game. Many people choose to forget, or perhaps never realized, that fact.
C
Most nights on the Naritus server, Moenia cantina has a decent crowd and a smallish (8 or so) but lively troupe of musicians/dancers. Last night for some reason, there was 1 AFK macroing dancer and 2 AFK Macroing musicians, and nobody else to perform. They weren't all labelled "AFK" so it took me a few minutes to realize they weren't going to respond. There were a few patrons but they were equally unresponsive.
I /listened to one of the musicians to get a beat to dance to, and started "button pressing." I tried roleplaying with the patrons who came in but most of them were utterly unresponsive. The performers were all AFK so there was nobody to RP with in that regard. Now, my PC was certainly getting experience for flourishes, and I am supposed to be trying to 'grind' her to Dance IV on the entertainer tree I suppose (she was at about 25K out of 45K needed), and I could've done that for a long time, but you know what?
I was bored. Bored because there was no roleplay going on. No interaction, no emoting, no talking. My attempts at it were ignored.
So, I quit dancing, donned my outdoor gear, and went out surveying. I checked in at the cantina every once in a while until there was a group of people there to actually RP with, and THEN I stayed and danced.
So you are right... entertainment is not about button pressing. It's first and foremost about rolelaying. But this is, after all, a roleplaying game. Many people choose to forget, or perhaps never realized, that fact.
C
Bulbous2
Mon Aug 11, 2003 12:24 am
#2
Sinda wrote:
The reality is that there are always those who believe their morality is superior to everyone else's, which gives them the right to sit in judgement.
Spoken like a TRUE inferior.
AdaraX
Mon Aug 11, 2003 5:21 am
#3
Thank you for reinforcing the point.
If you are anything at all like this in game, you are an embarrassment to our profession.
slapjack
Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:12 am
#4
Hey why does everyone hate afk dancers? I mean i'm online dancing in cnet from server shutdown to server restart. i pull the absolute max amount of time dancing that I can. I sleep in the morning and play at night. But my skill boxes take like 200k xp and i get maybe 100 a minute. thats 6k an hour. I can be online for 23 hours a day. so thats 138k xp a day but only if i'm online all day long. and thats just dancing xp. thats not even mentioning ent healing xp, which healing someone with 1k bf only gives me like 300, of which my next skill costs an obscene amount of xp. And i'm 1044 in dancer so i'm doing my highest dance. Most people ARENT on for 23 hours a day. Most are on for 3 or 4 maybe! so lets see 6k an hour, for 4 hours, 24k a day. When 1 skill costs over 200k. You'd be grinding for weeks. And thats ONLY the dancing xp which comes the fastest(if you could call it that) The only way to master this proffession in a reasonable amount of time IS by being afk.
(not everyone is so devoid a life that they can sit at their keyboard for 16 hours a day and sleep for the other 8 hours in the day)
GerRob
Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:18 am
#5
if the aim is to just master the profession, you may be right.
if the goal is to _play_ the profession, and to have fun, you
don't need to go afk, because the way is the goal. You dont have
to be master to have fun.
And of course you can master _all_ professions in much less
realtime, when you do afk exp routines. So use afk'xping for
surveying, combat, crafting etc and when you done all, for
jedi too
this will be much faster than actually playing the game.
if the goal is to _play_ the profession, and to have fun, you
don't need to go afk, because the way is the goal. You dont have
to be master to have fun.
And of course you can master _all_ professions in much less
realtime, when you do afk exp routines. So use afk'xping for
surveying, combat, crafting etc and when you done all, for
jedi too
this will be much faster than actually playing the game.
Kreistor
Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:02 am
#6
slapjack wrote:
Hey why does everyone hate afk dancers? I mean i'm online dancing in cnet from server shutdown to server restart. i pull the absolute max amount of time dancing that I can. I sleep in the morning and play at night. But my skill boxes take like 200k xp and i get maybe 100 a minute. thats 6k an hour. I can be online for 23 hours a day. so thats 138k xp a day but only if i'm online all day long. and thats just dancing xp. thats not even mentioning ent healing xp, which healing someone with 1k bf only gives me like 300, of which my next skill costs an obscene amount of xp. And i'm 1044 in dancer so i'm doing my highest dance. Most people ARENT on for 23 hours a day. Most are on for 3 or 4 maybe! so lets see 6k an hour, for 4 hours, 24k a day. When 1 skill costs over 200k. You'd be grinding for weeks. And thats ONLY the dancing xp which comes the fastest(if you could call it that) The only way to master this proffession in a reasonable amount of time IS by being afk.
(not everyone is so devoid a life that they can sit at their keyboard for 16 hours a day and sleep for the other 8 hours in the day)
Mastering Dancer isn't a race! Why is it people feel they have to take the least amount of time to get that 'Master' title?
It took me a little over two months to Master Dancer. I didn't spend all hours of my day playing. When I wasn't I was logged off. I didn't spend all my time in the cantina. I'd go on hunts, visit the sights, etc. I actually tried to ENJOY the game!
If you're just hologrinding, then I feel sorry that you're forced to do it. But don't try to justify that it's a valid thing to do. SOE has said that it's legal, but they aren't very happy that it's happening.
slapjack
Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:34 am
#7
i enjoy the game just fine. I didnt start off hologrinding. I orginally wanted to see more of the game, so i'd master a proff, enjoy all the perks of that proff, and then move on to master the next. After I did this for about 11 proffessions I figured I might as well be hologrinding at least then i'll have some direction. I mastered fencer doing faction missions alone, 511 xp at a time all the way up all trees with 450k xp for a level. This was way back when I was still a dirt noob to this game. I know how it feels to take 3 or 4 months to master a proffession. But I cant do what I do and take 4 months to master a proffession. Not at the rate they are changing this game. Hell 4 months to master a proffession, they'll have revamped whatever i'm working on lol.
Kreistor
Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:55 am
#8
And that's the real pity that I'm amazed SOE never realized. Why would they thing that combat players would want to entertain or that entertainers would want to do combat to become a jedi.
I've been passively working towards Jedi myself. So far, the professions I wanted to do have been ones I wanted to try. None of the holos were Dancer, darn it! 
Once I find a profession I don't want to do, I'm not doing it. I'll just wait for the Jedi quests.
So again, I feel sorry for people that need to do Dancer when they don't want to. As much as I still think it destroys our profession, I can understand why you'd want to AFK grind it.
Good luck
Breestan
Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:43 am
#9
::ignoring the whole afk dancing issue::
Experiencing a profession can not be done through afk or mass grinding. This is proven when a master dancer that I've seen around for a good month suddenly runs up to me and says "Hey. How do I buff people? Is there a command?" ... granted, knowing all the ins and outs of buffing isn't likely for a person... but not knowing the command at all? That's ridiculous, especially when in a 6 hour period I hear people explain it a few times to people who WANT a buff and have not had one.
Or how about "I'm not getting exp but my macro says /pause 6; /flourish ; /pause 6; /flourish ; " ... this shows that the person did not even open up their abilities menu and look under the 'other' tab to see what new skills they earned when they picked up the profession. Otherwise they'd have KNOWN there were 8 seperate commands and the description in the command would have said how to execute it.
Or the people who grind Image Design so fast that they make master, do a few changes to themselves and their buddy then drop all but the body tree and come to the ID forums says "Hey... I was hologrinding and got Master ID. I dropped all but the Body form tree. Now I can't change my skin color or my torso size. What's wrong? What tree do I need for that?"
Skin color and torso are master only abilities. Had the person slowed down a bit and SEEN what they were doing, and SEEN what they were learning, then they'd know that.
You can not master Bio Engineer by doing nothing but grinding and expect to make a great set of animals because if you didn't practice experimenting (which will slow down the grind) then you won't know what objects will make a better creature and what things you experiment on will affect their abilities. Egg might be better than meat, durability might be more important that potential energy. Who knows. But the fact is, that a passive grinder in the profession who DOES experiment with quality resources and is only 1111 in Bio Engineer will have a better understanding than a person who ground it out in a few days without really thinking about it.
Just because someone hands you a college degree does not mean you know anything about it. It's paper. And 'master' is just a title. If the player is clueless, then their titles all mean absolutely nothing.90% of the time, the player doesn't know a darn thing about the professions. (combat excluded, but it is possible to master without learning the optimum styles of gaining exp and killing quicker.)
So. If you want to 'Experience' the professions, then you have to check out every aspect. Not just brush it off and say you know it. At least that's my experience.
If the goal is to get in the profession and out of it, then that's your own perogative. (please don't spam )
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Xyrdre
Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:49 pm
#10
And herein lies the basis of the flaw, now known, in the hologrind Jedi system.
The devs wanted to reward, with the FCSC slot,the players who had in-depth knowledge of a great deal of the game. They thought that by driving people to master professions that they would become well-rounded, very knowlegeable players. If any profession is mastered in a hurry, AFK or not, one misses all of the subtleties and nuances of the profession that the devs hoped would be gained. Instead of players with broad scope of the game, they insteadgerminated people who have done vast majorities of the numbers-game, but have little to no better knowledge of the game other than how to maximize output of the macro systems. Rather than encouraging immersion, they've encouraged working the system.
They see the mistake now, and are working to correct it with a new Jedi system. I can't blame the devs either... it seemed like a good idea at the time, I'm sure, and just went awry in a way they didn't envision.
I only hope that the professions most hurt by the experiment can recover in the wake of the hologrind. It's the reason that I started the LIVE Entertainment guild on Ahazi... to try and build in a future of quality, dedicated performers and entertainers for the generations to come. By bringing the existingdedicated performers together, and giving support and sharing knowledge of how dance and music can be played live, ATK in a very satisfying way to the brand new Novice Entertainers who show interest, I've hoped to instill that sense that we'll be okay, and the entertainer professions will be able to thrive and survive in a future without entertainers who wanted only to be Jedi.
Utess
Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:03 pm
#11
Why does everyone hate afk entertainers? Because they aren't entertaining and 9 times out of 10 an afk entertainer falls into one of these two categories:
1) Someone who is trying to speed through the profession then drop it just because they want to be a Jedi. These people aren't, generally, even trying to enjoy the profession. They just want to do what they have to then move on. I don't fault them, I fault the system that forced them to do something they never wanted to do. But, despite it being the system's fault, a lot of these hologrinders don't exactly carry themselves very well either. Many of them often being mocking of the very profession I picked just because its something they don't give a hoot about =/
2) Someone who wants to create a healing/buff bot for their own use, or their guilds use. That is certainly their right to do so, but you can't seriously expect me to respect that. From a combat player's perspective, it would be like making a bot that runs around the cities killing members of the opposing faction, without there even being anyone there playing. If that happened, it would be called griefing, here people just say it's there right O.o
As for the xp issue, yes, you are right in that some things, xp wise, do need to be adjusted(preferably lessened). But, as someone else posted, this isn't a race(unless you are hologrinding I guess).
slapjack
Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:13 pm
#12
I grinded my way through Bio-Engineer and at master I was making squalls that could properly challenge defense stacked players. Just because someone wants to get through the proffession quickly DOES NOT mean they have no clue as to what they are doing.
slapjack
Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:34 pm
#13
i enjoy the game just fine. I didnt start off hologrinding. I orginally wanted to see more of the game, so i'd master a proff, enjoy all the perks of that proff, and then move on to master the next. After I did this for about 11 proffessions I figured I might as well be hologrinding at least then i'll have some direction. I mastered fencer doing faction missions alone, 511 xp at a time all the way up all trees with 450k xp for a level. This was way back when I was still a dirt noob to this game. I know how it feels to take 3 or 4 months to master a proffession. But I cant do what I do and take 4 months to master a proffession. Not at the rate they are changing this game. Hell 4 months to master a proffession, they'll have revamped whatever i'm working on lol.
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