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Is there somewhere I can look to find the duration of all the flourish moves? Now that I have almost all of the dances available to me, I've been trying to put together some neat routines. But I'm having a big problem getting the flourishes to run into each other without a gap of 'non-flourish dance' in between, especially if I change dance once or twice mid-routine.

At the moment, I'm resigned to trial and error, knocking seconds off, putting seconds back in on the pauses...and although I've made some nice looking routines, a lot of them still won't come out right

I'd love to know the times of each flourish so that I can concentrate on artistic impression rather than spend ages fiddling about and testing.

Any tips and suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Mirella

[I do not agree with AFKMing. I have never danced AFK in a cantina except for the odd couple of mins when I've gone to the loo or had to briefly deal with an RL incident. I know how to write macro's, but the only one I use is a three liner, which I use occasionally if I have to deal with some /tells or such. But I'd like to macro my special dance routines purely so that they look good and flow properly...I'll still be at the keyboard ]

Well... I have used a stopwatch to time formal, in particular, because when she is not flourishing my PC looks like she is tripping over her own feet (which I hate) so I try to make the flourishes come exactly on top of each other. The timings are at home and I am at work at the moment by I can post them if you want. My recollection is Formal moves last 15-17 seconds, depending on the flourish. Popular is more like 8-10. It's different for each dance.

C

Thanks for the reply .

If you want to post the times you have, I'm sure it would be appreciated...but if you've taken the trouble tofigure outthe timings yourself, then I'll feel guilty taking advantage of your hard work! .

(I had thought maybe there was an unofficial list of times somewhere that we could all help ourselves too).

<goes out and buys herself a stop watch >

Mirella

Lo Mirella,

FYI, I read in another thread somewhere.. sorry, the exact one escapes me, that the number of chat windows you have open on your screen effeacts the pause count in macros with flourish's in them. I tested this out on the short ones I wrote as routinesand it does seem to be the case. I usually have the normalchat open and guild chat off to the side. If I close the guild chat then the duration of my pauses increases. Something to be aware of anyway.

Cheers,

Mo'

Hm... That's interesting.

Well, I do not mind posting up the timings I recorded in between flourishes. I am on a 56K so I am not sure if the timings will be exactly the same for someone, say, on a cable modem. No idea how that affects things.

I also did the timings a while ago and now I have added some chat tabs so I dunno if that will affect it or not.

C

yeah, if i created and joined a chat channel, the duration of my pauses halved very annoying. I don't get the same bug with PA chat though.

Here are my timings for the Formal dance within macros. NOTE: I added about 2 seconds per flourish of "in between" time because if you mash them any closer together sometimes the 2nd one seems not to "take" and the flourish never happens. So that add-on is included here... subtract 2 for the "actual" timings if you want to know them (at least on my machine with my set of chat windows open). Basically, this is how long a pause I would put in AFTER the listed flourish and BEFORE doing another flourish to "make it look good."

FORMAL

Flourish/Seconds (+2)
--------------------
1/16
2/17
3/16
4/14
5/14
6/15
7/16
8/17

Note, for Formal, I hate the "in between flourishes" look (the dancer looks like she's tripping over her own feet) so I try to minimize how much time that happens. For Popular she looks pretty decent in between so I have more "padding" here, probably on the order of 3-4 seconds. Again my padding is built in, it's how long a /pause I have after the listed flourish in any macros. (Outside of macros I do it by 'feel' or by 'eye' instead, never by timing.)

POPULAR

Flourish/Seconds (+3 or 4)
---------------------------
1/12
2/11
3/15
4/11
5/12
6/11
7/12
8/12

See if that helps ya any.

C

Honestly, I don't bother timing flourishes for Formal. Each flourish has the same end stance. Half-way through the character moving to the end post, or right as they finish the pose, hit another flourish and it'll go into the exact same START pose each flourish seems to have, and I've found that it does so rather smoothly. Sometimes I mess up on the timing, but I don't mind...Formal 2's base isn't so bad. ^.^;

Argh. Mirella --

Forgot to bring in the little sheet I had with the formal timings on it to work. I will try to post tonight when I get home.

This is basically a bump for myself so I see it on page 1 tonight and hopefully don't forget again.

C

While I have the timing on some of mine down pretty well (it was all trial and error) if I hit even a little bubble of lag in there it throws everything off. So the best you can hope for is to get close.

Min'Tora

Agreed with some of the others here. While macros are nice - especially for choreographed performances, on most dances, they are too inexact to completely eliminate the stutter. Formal being a perfect example. There seem to be too many variables, and some of them taking half seconds.

We instead use practice, and watching the moves as someone else suggested, and bandflourish the dance troupe based on that. Our goal is to attempt to eliminate the stutter (especially on a dance like formal or lyrical) because the base dance looks so horrid, and brings a choreographed troupe out of alignment and facing odd directions, so that the next bf spins some of them halfway around before the next step.

Thanks Chessack! <hug>

As and when I get time to 'stopwatch' the other dances, I'll post those here too.

(and thanks to everyone else who's helped )

Mirella