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I have been noticing a pattern lately. I join a group then asked to leave because there are others who aren't Masters who want to join. No hard feelings, I leave. Someone told me at one time that it's actually good to have a Master Dancers/Musicians in their group because the exp no longer needed by them is split among the rest of the group. Is that true? Is it more of a benefit or a hinderance to the group to have Master Dancers/Musicians in it?

i think it depends on the experience cap, but i wouldnt know for sure, i dont play my dancer character that much, at this point and time.

Well, if you are dancing and being watches (And who wouldn't watch a master?) they would be missing out on the xp.

As to weather it makes a difference in actual xp gained... Truth told, nobody knows. Perhaps a test needs to be run on TC with 4 characters.. A master dancer, a novice entertainer, and two generic "others". The others go out and die 4 times to get 100 mind wounds and 100 bf. One of them watches the novice to full health. The other watches the master and novice together to full health. Check the difference in xp gained by the novice. It's possible it will be the same xp, just faster. Or it could be more for being grouped. I'm pretty sure it's not less though.

i can set that up if you like, i can just disease the same person twice with the same disease. the bigger problem is to find the novice entertainer, but if you guys still want this tested let me know (send me a PM or something similar)

The thing about customers coming in and watching me. - I had one come in with maybe 400BF and he watched/ got healed by lil ol' me dancing alone.Then along comes hisguildmatewho started watching me...and then a few others.Group ask me to leave, I get healing exp and then I hear them complain that they haven't seen healing exp in awhile.If they let me stay in the group they would have benefited from thatpeople watching me.

Maybe I'm worrying about it too much.... I should worry about more important things such as the next outfit I'm giong to purchase

I do believe I get better xp with higher level dancers in group. Also having a master in group means that there is a trainer available.

I definitely do not think you should leave the building. If you have master and are still dancing, good for you. You will likely be dancing long after those in the group that are kicking you out have surrendered their skill.

The experience rate for the dancers in a group is determined (in part) by what dances the other performers are doing.

So having a master in the party is typically a little bit more dancing experience per tick than a 0040. Even without any 'overflow' (I have no idea if that happens or not). Ent Healing XP will really be about the same, just it will be over a longer period of time without a master, and if the master is still in the cantina, it will be slower as folks tend to perfer to watch the masters anyway.

It's interesting that this topic comes up, since I too have encountered this recently. When I started dancing the climate in the cantinas was alot different and people were happy to have an advanced dancer in the group, heck I learned so much from them advice on what trees to train first, learned how to put together nice routines, learned how to make up macros so that my finger wouldn't fall off and so that I could talk with people (never afk macro's), had someone there that would happily train me and good old fashioned conversation. If I wanted to know who to go to for clothing...ask a group mate, espeically the higher level ones they knew all the best tailors. And my experience was always better with a master in the group, who cared if the patrons were watching her I was getting some incredible experience. Now it seems that with the advent of the buff bots, holotainers and the misinformed tip mongers more and more people have no clue.

I went to Coronet to help a friend get experience the other day, I walked into a packed cantina, 80% of the group was afk , my friend said the group was full but would ask if they would kick a long time afk person so that the group would benefit from me dancing with them. He was ignored, I asked to join the group 4 times and was ignored. I witnessed these same non afk folks in the group asking for training, sent them tells that I'd be happy to train them but I needed to be in the group. People left the main group to get training and then rejoined. I ended up dancing for a bit (taking ent healing exp I had no need of) then leaving.

I guess bottom line is that it's sad to see the current climate in the cantinas and I wish for the good old days.

*hugs*

Caly

Those people are fools. Whenever I walk into a cantina I look for the master dancer and master musician to heal me because I know they will get me out the door faster. Maybe just a friendly reminder of this will help you get into a group.

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Calyndra wrote:

I went to Coronet to help a friend get experience the other day, I walked into a packed cantina, 80% of the group was afk , my friend said the group was full but would ask if they would kick a long time afk person so that the group would benefit from me dancing with them. He was ignored, I asked to join the group 4 times and was ignored. I witnessed these same non afk folks in the group asking for training, sent them tells that I'd be happy to train them but I needed to be in the group. People left the main group to get training and then rejoined. I ended up dancing for a bit (taking ent healing exp I had no need of) then leaving.

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Oh, good lord, how can such stupid people afford $15 a month?

Is it even possible nowadays to find a group full of 20 entertainers that don't have any AFK folks? Those are the ones who don't need the xp (since they get it for free anyway), so group leaders should boot them. If they're too ignorant to see this fact, then they just need to be shown the errors of their way.

So, how does a Master Dancer handle this? Start your own group.

Don't be nasty about it. You'll win no friends if you say, "Since this group is too lame to boot AFKers, I'm forming my own group. So join up if you want to learn from a MASTER DANCER." Bad form, I'd say.

Instead, be friendly and supportive of others. "Any lone entertainers or medics wishing to join the second group?" Inviting medics is important too. After all, if a medic is in a group, he can see who is in danger of running low on Action and can react pretty quickly. Periodically, bring up your Master status. Don't rub it in by saying, "Oh, and I'm a Master if you haven't noticed." Instead, say things like, "Oh, and if you need training, feel free to ask. I'm already a Master so I don't need the apprentice points, so someone else may want to teach you."

After some time, you'll have your own little group. The other group will probably fall apart (and be manned by nothing but AFKers anyway). It's amazing how a little outgoing personality can accomplish so much, especially amongst other players with similar personalities.

In the cantinas I am in I rarely have a full group anymore. Maybe on Coronet that is the case, but not in other towns. If I would be asked to leave, I'd leave - the group that is. I have been a Master Dancer for a couple months now, and I don't care about exp anymore - but I will keep dancing, and probably take away some healing exp from a group, to get tips.

If I am not invited in a group - because the leader is afk f.e. - I just shrug and dance on. It is none of my business if two novices are too lazy to disband and regroup and start to miss out on exp because I will surely not give up dancing in my regular cantina just to let a semi-afk group get exp without trouble.

Well I did some tests on TC.. My main focus was on ent healing xp. It seems to be the one lagging with most entertainers. So eeking out every last drop of dancing/musician xp shouldn't be the most important. What I found out is that who is grouped makes absolutely no difference in xp gained, only who is watching the group. My full findings are in this thread in the entertainer forum.

I don't think this "overflow" xp exists. Even if it does, it would probably only be music/dance xp, which as I already pointed out comes faster than healing currently.

This also explains why healing skyrockets at first, hitting the cap until music/dance finally catches up enough to get novice musician/dancer. The rate of xp gain does not change through the life of an entertainer. (You may see bigger numbers some time, but for shorter periods of time) So what is a lot of xp when you only require a few thousand suddenly becomes so miniscule when you require a few hundred thousand. (400k to be precise.) Yet the rate of gain is constant, so it starts to crawl.

This also answers weather it is best to take wound or fatigue healing first.. The answer is it doesn't matter one lick.