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I've seen a macro used to give customers the mind buffs in 30 seconds. I asked another dancer for a copy of the macro. I thought about it for a while and decided against using it because it seems like it might be an exploit.

Does anyone out there know for sure? Have you talked to a CSR about it? If so, which CSR?

My opinion on this hon is that technically it is not an exploit as I understand it. It is just taking advantage of how our buff system works to allow for very rapid buffing of a person. But, while it is technically not an exploit, I refuse to do it and do not encourage it because it goes against the design of our profession

My feeling is that the 3 minute buff is just taking advantage of how the system works. To be able to do a full buff quicker than that you have to work around how dancing works. I would recommend not using the 30 second buff for that reason.

Myself and NewJedi have been trying to get information from the devs on this but have so far been unsuccessful.

Message Edited by Tiaga on 04-04-2004 04:03 PM

Personally I don't see it as an exploit. It's just a macro where there are no pauses between flos. If docs can buff us in about 2 min (after waiting in line of course), then why can't we buff fast? If the devs ever tell us to stop I have no problem doing that. I have a lot of clients that really appreciate not taking 8 min off their other buffs waiting for us to finish ours. I still get lots of social activity while they're healing. Just go with what your gut tells you. If you think it might be wrong then don't do it. Just that simple because this is a controversy right now. I don't think anyone has gotten an answer one way or the other whether is an exploit or not. That I know of.

If it were just a macro with no pauses between flourishes I wouldn't say it was an exploit.

But it's not just a macro with no pauses between flourishes.

its a REPEATING macro w/ no pauses

That doesn't make a difference. It could just as easily be a really long macro. But it does more than flourish.

It is not an exploit to start dancing do your flourishes then stop dancing. It is however a badly coded set of commands if they never intended for the end result to be a 25 second buff.

If exploit isn't taking advantage of something badly coded or designed then what is it?

It takes enhancements to quickness/stamina in order to do this kind of buff. So it is not a freebie. Okay, so this buff allows you to buff 5-6 times faster than non-macroed buffing.

Let's think of other places a macro allows us to do something 5-6 times faster than normal....

Crafting xp. WIthout using a macro it is easily 30 seconds to do a complete crafting cycle. With a macro you can do it in 5 seconds, and get the same xp. Now, they've said before that crafting macros are just fine. So there is precedent for the macro to not be an exploit.

The macros themselves are not inherintly an exploit/not an exploit. You can do it without a macro too.

Also it's not a good comparison as the commands the macro is using are explicitly for that purpose. There isn't really any other use for the crafting commands besides to put into a macro. In this case, the purpose of stopdance is not to reset the flourish counter, and that's what it is being used for.

Shooting another player in PvP is not an exploit. Going inside a private building is not an exploit. Yet shooting a player in PvP from inside a private building is.

There is a possibility that this will change in the future is all I'm saying. I seriously doubt there will be any bannings from people doing it, but that doesn't make it not an exploit.

However, as I said there has yet to be an answer either way. But I'll keep pushing as this comes up a lot.

The 3 to 4 minutes a regular buff takes (or the 5 minutes a group buff takes) should be fast enough.